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    44-9.... Hmmmm

    so I'm in the preparation stage and I'm having extream difficulties with deciding on what to do with the fron axle. The D30 just won't like being locked.... I'm sure of that... so I have been planning to create a D44 with a 9" center housing.

    Now I have been told that I should just simply build it with D60 knuckles and outers.... but I know next to nothing about the D60.

    I also have the outerside of the D44 from a waggy... it certainly is very stout, and I have the 9" center at my disposal.

    so I am looking for opinions on the two options.... not just do a D60 or shit like that.... back your thoughts with some knowledge.... as difficult as that may be for some of you.

    I have no desire to goto anything larger than a 35" tire for the next 3-5 years.... and I have no issue spending the cash on building this axle properly.... just need to know the best route to go....
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    If you plan on staying with 35's, stick with a D44. If you spend your money right, the shafts and the u-joints will not be the weak link. There is absolutely no benefit for you bothering to go through the rigamaroll of building a hybrid 9" if all you are using is D44 outers. Even if you wanted to go 60 outers on a 9", you will be building a 3rd and housing from scratch to have a prayer of keeping up with the D60 outers strength capability....which won't come cheap - at that point, OEM 9" parts are chincy. There is a reason a 60/9 isn't popular for rec. wheeling.
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    I run a 44-9. This is my second season on it and I have not busted any u-joints. I have broke an outer shaft but that was due to a weak worn out part that I started with. I run a doubler too on 36's and well... so far so good. Oh and she is locked as well.
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    Staang.... You forgot to mention that it is powered by a lazy 4 banger... It should live a happy life infront of a 4 popper. Add another 100 ft-lbs and your doubler will give the 944 a real beating.

    Just do a strait waggy 44 swap from an 83 and later waggy and be done with it. It will live with 35s and a locker for a long time with decent spicer life series joints or some 300m stuff.
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    Lots of threads on Pirate on this, but one of the weakest parts on the D44 that you can't currently upgrade is the balljoints. If you're dead set on going hybrid, skip the 44 outers and go 60's, otherwise just keep the D44, especially on 35's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHREK View Post
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    So from what I'm reading the overwelming response is to either go with a 609 hybrid, the entire D60 or a D44.

    One thing that I am curious about was the strength of the 9". Of course the way people talk its virtually a bullit proof gear set... But I am skeptical of that. So what is the max tire size that a 9" center housing can take?

    and like I read up above..... I do believe that the HP D30 is similar in strength to the LP D44... so if my main goal is to put a locker in the front axle... should I just complete the D30/D44 hybrid that I started? Hmmmm
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    considering 1000+ hp drag cars launch their rides at 8000 rpm with 9" rears...I think you're safe brother.
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    I have just finished building a dana 60 front, it take a fair amount of work. In my opinion to choose a 60 vs a 44 is dependant on the type of wheelin you do, tire size and power level.
    You said 35" tires, I see no reason why a 44 will not work. But the 60 may give you piece of mind, considering you will have to go through the exact same process building a 60 or a 44.
    For that reason I would go with the 60. It may be cheaper in the long run, as you will not need 4130 shafs and 35 spline outters or any other high strength aftermarket parts as you might with the 44.
    Also king pin is multiple times stronger than ball joint.

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    ^Hey Sandy.... if you have nothing constructive to offer.... shaad-up.... and dust that thing off will ya.


    so finish the d44/30 hybrid and prepare for the D60 in the front.... seems like it could be the plan.....

    but in the essence of coolness.... is a 609 worth the work.... will the 9" center take a 40" tire, locked? (I would like to end up there some day).

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    IMO unless you are going to fork for a high 9 3rd i'd skip all that work putting a lp up front. Guess you could always upgrade later but i'd go 60. But then you're into bolt patterns and you just put the 8.8 in. I'd work with what you got and slowly put together a 60/14 combo for the 40" future. Less dreaming, more wheeling.


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    Oh ya. If you have any interest i got a line on 44/9 combo with 5:13's in the box and rebuild kits all for $600. They're out of a 78 F150 so they have the cast tube shit so you'd have to run like TJ coils and ford radius arms or just retube it. Seemed like a pretty good deal. Just an FYI

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    The 9" center is upgrading the 1 part of the 44 that at least in my opinion is the least likely to break. D44 shafts, u-joints and balljoints all seem to be weak link long before the R&P.
    I have a waggy 44 sitting in my garage and ballistic brackets sitting in a box. I am building a HP30 instead since it will still be much cheaper and my low garage ceiling means 35's is the limit for me
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    ^ so I'm curious to know how you plan on locking the D30? Are you installing disconnects? I have seen a D30 not do very well locked on 35's... so what other upgrades have you planned for the turdy?

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    I've been running 35's on a D30 front for years....and locked for the past 2....only thing I've broke has been ujoints...and the only reason I've done that has been when I got stupid on the skinny pedeal(also runnin 4.88s)....if your only gonna run 35's for the next 3-4years as you say...put your coin into beefing up other stuff on your rig...thats my humble opinion...and 2cents worth so take it for that....lol....I'm far from easy on the rig....and I do run a far amount of rocks....BUT...also depends on your wheeling style....if you pan it all the time and don't know when to let off....well...your gonna break...don't matter what axle your runnin..lol

    The Turdy is alot stronger than people give it credit for(especially HP)...but I definatley think 35 is the limmit...would I try runnin a 30 with 37's....fawk no...that 2inches makes a big diffence(thats what she said )
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    I'm running a super 30 and an 8.8 with 36" SX's and bead locks going on my 3rd year with no issues. 4.2 and 231/300 doubler with 3lbs of air in the tires and I haven't even had an issue with u-joints. Again stating the obvious again but a 60 is the way to go!

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