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    DMV visit, asked some questions...

    While registering my new DD, I asked a few questions about what obligations we must follow when towing vehicles;

    Q: If I'm flat-towing a car, does it need plates?
    A: Yes. It must be plated and insured if all four wheels are on the ground
    Enforcement disagrees with this statement. See sticky at bottom of post!

    Q: So the cars I see behind motorhomes?
    A: ... must be insured, and have registered plates.
    Enforcement disagrees with this statement. See sticky at bottom of post!

    Q: What about putting them on trailers?
    A: If you have 2 wheels on a trailer, like a car dolly, then you do not need plates. You do need lighting though, like those magnetic ones tow trucks use.

    Q: So I can just plate the dolly and I'm good for towing my truck?
    A: You do not need to plate a car dolly. They are exempt. But if it's on the road without a car on it, you must have lights on it. Commercial, like U-Haul, dollies must be plated.

    Q: And what about car trailers, all four wheels off the ground?
    A: Those must be plated, but a safety is not required for the trailer. You must know how much it weighs, plus whatever vehicle is on it, so you do not go over your Gross Vehicle weight limit.

    Q: What's the limit for a G licensed driver, assuming the truck can handle it?
    A: Towed vehicle limit is 4,600kg and the maximum combined weight is 11,000kg.

    Q: These trucks, can I put OHV plates on them for flat-towing?
    A: No. A vehicle branded as a highway vehicle with a green ownership cannot be transfered to a brown (OHV) ownership. A standard (blue) plate will be issued.

    This was the Brant St. DMV office, south of Fairview, in the Burlington Plaza (with the Exclusively Womens fitness signs out front). The young lady was extremely helpful when I had the wrong appraisal forms... gave me the right ones and remembered me the next day when I came back. No troubles at all.

    Also, I verified the weight limits at;
    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...er/classes.htm

    Updated June 17/09 with info from MOT enforcement information. Click here!!
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    good info

    Thanks ,you just answered one of my questions about car dolly plates...

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    Every little bit helps us when we are trying to abide and conform to the
    HTA and policies required to keep our heeps on the road...


    much thanks Noltz, it was very useful info...



    Maybe this should be made into a sticky....

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    So you don't need plates on the vehicle if it's being towed on a dolly... But does it have to be insured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBlackfoot View Post
    So you don't need plates on the vehicle if it's being towed on a dolly... But does it have to be insured?
    Nope - a dollied vehicle is covered by the towing vehicle, according to the DMV. If you actually would collect on the second vehicle, I would confirm it with your insurance company. What I was told is a dollied vehicle does not need plates, nor insurance.

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    Insurance covers the towing vehicle, the towing apparatus. If the contents being towed is not a vehicle with a Vin, then yer home insurance would cover the loss. If it is a vehicle of some nature and has a Vin then, to be covered it would require a separate policy.
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    Well that doesn't clear things up at all, that's two totally different answers. lol

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    thats the DMV's take on insurance

    ...and what the real insurance says.

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    TOwed vehicles are covered by your car (or rental car ) insurance policy. The contents of the car (if you are using the towed car to hold extra parts or personal belongings) are covered by your auto insurance if you have the right coverages, a basic DCPD (fromerly known as PLPD) plan does not cover contents, just liability and damage in an accident. If you have extra coverages like comprehensive or all perils, you have to refer to the wording of the contract as to what is covered under the auto insurance, and what if any can be placed on your home insurance.
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    Wow thats odd, and opposite of state farm's policy's.

    I stand corrected.

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    It's also laid out in the OAP under section 2 IIRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noltz View Post

    Q: And what about car trailers, all four wheels off the ground?
    A: Those must be plated, but a safety is not required for the trailer. You must know how much it weighs, plus whatever vehicle is on it, so you do not go over your Gross Vehicle weight limit.
    Anyone know any more on this? Last I heard loaded car trailers still need annual inspections if the total vehicle weight is over 4,500kgs. Is there an exemption for car trailers?

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by macka View Post
    It's also laid out in the OAP under section 2 IIRC
    that helps alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yj_Driver View Post
    Anyone know any more on this? Last I heard loaded car trailers still need annual inspections if the total vehicle weight is over 4,500kgs. Is there an exemption for car trailers?

    Richard
    That's why I specifically added that it's a DOLLY, not a trailer. Trailers do need safeties. I am trying to find the least expensive way possible to move my Toy around, while adhering to the law.

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    I tow my jeep around i have a 16 foot car trailer. i have never been told i need to safety my trailer nor have i been pulled over yet.

    Only things i know is, trailer and its contents is insured under the towing vehicles insurance (for TD insurance i know for sure) you also must have 4 ancor points from vehilce to trailer so 4 tie downs one at each corner. You must have all signal and running lights, must have a 12V battery with brake away switch if your trailer has electric brake or jsut the brake away for old school hydrolic brakes, also need safety chains and a plated trailer.

    The only thing i dont understand is my insurance (TD) said the trailer is insuraed under the vehilces towing policy as long as its hooked up, so what if it brakes off going down the road?? its free game then? :confused:
    Oh well i dont know hahah

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    UPDATE‼

    Safety blitz going on outside my work, so I asked a police officer the question regarding flat-towing an unplated vehicle. He said he see's no problem so long as the vehicle that is TOWING has plates and insurance.

    Not saying go ahead and do it, but it seems the cops don't care too much so long as nothings falling off .

    He did say you cannot drive it on the road, at all (of course). "Not even to cross the road to continue down the trail".

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    man, Am I ever happy at the purchase of this 2 wheel dolly bought last weekend..... So much for the towbar only on the off road pig
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    Any trailer with a GVWR of 4,500 kg or more will need an annual safety sticker (yellow sticker). GVWR means trailer and its cargo. Or if your trailer already weighs 4,500 KG or more, then you already know this.

    Whats interesting is that for RVs (Motor homes and truck campers), towing a vehicle weighing more than 3,000 lbs doesn't mean you need brakes (flat tow or dolly). I don't know if the same applies to pick up trucks or SUVs? Its definitely a super good idea to have brakes.

    Its almost a certainty that difference insurance companies have different policies regarding towing, so ask them directly.

    And Noltz, DMV? I'll jump off a bridge if them Yankees take us over

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    ^ Yeah, no kidding. Waaay too many people on this site quote this and that, blah blah blah but can't even get the most basic information right... It's MTO, not DMV...... give your head a shake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DYNNOMMYTE View Post
    Maybe this should be made into a sticky....
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