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    Stunt Driving

    Stunt driving = the heavy hand of the law, so...
    Almost all aspects of driving a vehicle down trails could potentially be viewed as "stunt driving"
    I like to view it as challenging.
    For example... attempting a climb over a big rock, fishtail while getting out of a mud pit, so on and so forth.
    Or, does that only apply to speed over the posted limit?

    What is your take on this?

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    There is no real "take" on this, nothing in that section of the Highway Traffic Act applies as long as you are on a TRAIL and not on anything that can be deemed a "HIGHWAY".

    Racing, stunts, etc., prohibited

    172. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or contest, while performing a stunt or on a bet or wager. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.


    You're safe as far as the above is concerned..... the only thing you'd need to be aware of, is this section under the Off Road Vehicles Act


    Careless driving

    16. Every person who drives an off-road vehicle without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons is guilty of an offence. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 16.


    Hope this helps, I think you're good to play in the mud! LOL
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    Thank you!

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    No problem at all.....

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    What about mud & 20 then? Those are road allowances. Would spinning the tires through the mud there potentially be considered stunt driving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizit View Post
    What about mud & 20 then? Those are road allowances. Would spinning the tires through the mud there potentially be considered stunt driving?
    I don't really want to get into a discussion about the provisions of Sec. 172 of the HTA. There are many items in there that are subject to interpretation. I have never been to Mud and 20, but from the sounds of it, spinning tires in the mud is a common occurrence! Could it be considered a "highway" under the HTA? For sure!

    If you want to take a look at the Regulation describing the specifics of Sec. 172 I will post it. I can't say for sure, but from looking at it, there's nothing I can see that talks about spinning your tires in mud to become un-stuck....I think you're safe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ON OFFroad View Post
    ...nothing in that section of the Highway Traffic Act applies as long as you are on a TRAIL and not on anything that can be deemed a "HIGHWAY".

    Racing, stunts, etc., prohibited...
    Awesom... I can still take that bet, you wont get through that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1nc3 View Post
    Awesom... I can still take that bet, you wont get through that....
    LMAO yes indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ON OFFroad View Post
    There is no real "take" on this, nothing in that section of the Highway Traffic Act applies as long as you are on a TRAIL and not on anything that can be deemed a "HIGHWAY".

    Racing, stunts, etc., prohibited

    172. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway in a race or contest, while performing a stunt or on a bet or wager. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.


    You're safe as far as the above is concerned..... the only thing you'd need to be aware of, is this section under the Off Road Vehicles Act


    Careless driving

    16. Every person who drives an off-road vehicle without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons is guilty of an offence. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 16.


    Hope this helps, I think you're good to play in the mud! LOL
    So technically speaking, If you were to bet/wager that your friend couldn't drive down the road doing the speed limit and obaying all traffic laws, they could be contravening this part if they accepted the wager? Sounds like a good way to trick some friends into making a few bucks "Hey, bet you can't drive down the next block without doing anything that would be against the rules in the HTA"
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    Quote Originally Posted by apuszczalowski View Post
    So technically speaking, If you were to bet/wager that your friend couldn't drive down the road doing the speed limit and obaying all traffic laws, they could be contravening this part if they accepted the wager? Sounds like a good way to trick some friends into making a few bucks "Hey, bet you can't drive down the next block without doing anything that would be against the rules in the HTA"
    Technically speaking I don't think so, in reading it, you have to be in a "contest" or "race". I'm not sure if you're serious about this question so I will hold off on investigating further with my colleagues in the traffic unit.
    Last edited by ON OFFroad; 06-04-2012 at 06:34 PM.

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    I was sort of serious about it, cause depending on how you are reading and interpreting it, what I mentioned could be true.

    I know that the intent may be that it is during a race or contest, but with the way its written, it could end up being interpreted differntly

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    Quote Originally Posted by apuszczalowski View Post
    I was sort of serious about it, cause depending on how you are reading and interpreting it, what I mentioned could be true.

    I know that the intent may be that it is during a race or contest, but with the way its written, it could end up being interpreted differntly
    Agreed, but when I read it again, it sure seems that it must be a race or contest of sorts.

    As mentioned in another thread, all laws are open to interpretation. To be safe, don't bet your buddy he can't drive without breaking any laws. Problem solved!

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    I believe what he is saying is....
    as long as the passageway is not deemed a highway (not as one might think highway) as defined by the act, life is good.
    If... I am not mistaken.
    feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1nc3 View Post
    I believe what he is saying is....
    as long as the passageway is not deemed a highway (not as you think highway) as defined by the act, life is good.
    If... I am not mistaken.
    feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
    You are absolutely correct, however I think the other question is being asked about ON highway. I think I have answered it though.....

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    Ok, thanks for the confirmation on what I thought.
    I only chimed in...
    because the topic from the orriginal post seemed to get skewed from the first question (on trails).
    Once again... Thanks again!

    Keep your answers coming, I'm following every thread in here.

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    It's a pleasure. I'm happy to be able to help out!

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    A little off topic, but 3 or 4 years ago the "racing" law was beaten because it was unconstitutional, as the charged could face jail time before a trial, iirc. Any idea what came of that? This was in a lower court, and I'm sure the province appealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUD DAWG View Post
    A little off topic, but 3 or 4 years ago the "racing" law was beaten because it was unconstitutional, as the charged could face jail time before a trial, iirc. Any idea what came of that? This was in a lower court, and I'm sure the province appealed.
    I really wish I could speak to that, but unfortunately I can't in an open forum.

    I can tell you though, that the provisions of Sec. 172 of the HTA are still in place and being enforced.

    Not a complete answer to your question I realize, but i hope it helps!

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    I wasn't looking to get you in a discussion about the legitimacy of the law, I was just curious if you knew if the case was still before the courts or if it was dealt with already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUD DAWG View Post
    I wasn't looking to get you in a discussion about the legitimacy of the law, I was just curious if you knew if the case was still before the courts or if it was dealt with already?
    That's a good question. Leave it with me and I'll see what ever happened with that. It might take a while, as I'll probably have to talk to a prosecutor to see what happened.

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