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    Road Allowances

    Just a quick question, working for a municipality, I know that all municipalities have many pieces of property that they own that are sized and marked as "Road Allowances" for future roads. Many wheelers have assumed that these are ok to wheel because they are municipally owned "roadways". From the mapping that I have looked at, unless they are an opened road (typically paved or in a condition that you don't need 4wd to travel on) they are just a piece of property that are earmarked for a future road.

    So my question is, are unopened road allowances "open for wheeling", or are they private property/No tresspassing?
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    good question - someone will chime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by apuszczalowski View Post
    Just a quick question, working for a municipality, I know that all municipalities have many pieces of property that they own that are sized and marked as "Road Allowances" for future roads. Many wheelers have assumed that these are ok to wheel because they are municipally owned "roadways". From the mapping that I have looked at, unless they are an opened road (typically paved or in a condition that you don't need 4wd to travel on) they are just a piece of property that are earmarked for a future road.

    So my question is, are unopened road allowances "open for wheeling", or are they private property/No tresspassing?
    This is a common topic of conversation on this board, the simple answer to your question in GENERAL, is that no, you can't wheel the "road allowances" and "unassumed" roads. Each and every Municipality has different views on their property and the way in which it is to be used.

    To be sure, the only way is to contact the individual Municipality, and discuss it with them. IF they give you permission of some sort, I would ask for it in an email, or some other way that you could produce it down the road if you run into any problems.

    Remember, an absence of "prohibition" does not equal "permission"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ON OFFroad View Post
    This is a common topic of conversation on this board, the simple answer to your question in GENERAL, is that no, you can't wheel the "road allowances" and "unassumed" roads. Each and every Municipality has different views on their property and the way in which it is to be used.

    To be sure, the only way is to contact the individual Municipality, and discuss it with them. IF they give you permission of some sort, I would ask for it in an email, or some other way that you could produce it down the road if you run into any problems.

    Remember, an absence of "prohibition" does not equal "permission"
    but if the road is marked 'use at own risk' like some of the mud and 20 ,does this still apply as not go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apuszczalowski View Post
    Just a quick question, working for a municipality, I know that all municipalities have many pieces of property that they own that are sized and marked as "Road Allowances" for future roads. Many wheelers have assumed that these are ok to wheel because they are municipally owned "roadways". From the mapping that I have looked at, unless they are an opened road (typically paved or in a condition that you don't need 4wd to travel on) they are just a piece of property that are earmarked for a future road.

    So my question is, are unopened road allowances "open for wheeling", or are they private property/No tresspassing?
    Unopened road allowances are in the books for future development, unassumed road allowances are usually no longer needed for future development and can be bought by adjecent land owners.Been many years since i worked for a On.Land Surveyor co. Not sure if laws have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piratexpress1369a View Post
    but if the road is marked 'use at own risk' like some of the mud and 20 ,does this still apply as not go?
    No, I'm not saying that, I'm really just saying that areas should be checked out by contacting the involved Municipality, before just going ahead and using them.

    The original question was for those types of areas in general, so it was a general answer. I'm not commenting on Mud & 20 specifically.

    Hopefully this clears it up....

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    ok i will let you get away on this one lol...that is your free get out of jail pass lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piratexpress1369a View Post
    ok i will let you get away on this one lol...that is your free get out of jail pass lol
    You guys are sure keeping me on my toes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverik View Post
    Have always thought that any road allowance that hasn't been closed , is open for use.
    This is my point, right here. You are speaking about a specific road allowance that you have personal knowledge of. What if you had no knowledge of the sale of part of that property and it wasn't posted?

    I am simply stating, that if you don't know, don't go. At least until you have ascertained ownership and/or permitted uses.

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    Wasn't flaming you at all, not sure where you got that from?

    I still maintain my point, that not all Municipalities openly allow access to all of their road allowances. Some of them aren't posted as being off limits, yet they are.

    When someone asks a broad question as to if they can wheel all of these, I offer the best advice that I can based on MY knowledge of the laws, and that is to check with the Municipality.

    When you open your comment saying they are all open until they're closed, it could mislead people into thinking they're good to go unless told otherwise.

    Perhaps I am being over cautious, but I don't want anyone misunderstanding.

    I saw your post in the "Hydro corridor" thread and thought it was great! Good to know someone on the inside!
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    As an example, the City of Ottawa has said we can use the road allowances until someone complains. If anyone complains to the city, though, they will post up signs and start ticketing folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunker View Post
    As an example, the City of Ottawa has said we can use the road allowances until someone complains. If anyone complains to the city, though, they will post up signs and start ticketing folks.
    Good example Kunker, and someone took the time to inquire with the City about that, which is a great illustration of what I'm trying to convey in my answer.

    I'm getting old, so sometimes there's a lag between what my brain is saying, and what I write down... LOL

    Thanks for posting up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverik View Post
    I agree, we are all on the same page, and i have read through this thread and you always give good advice. The later the time is when i post......the more wine i have drank....sometimes has an effect. Keep up the good work!
    Cheers Maverik! I do appreciate your knowledge and input. I might hit you up for further questions like this if that's ok.....

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