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    Is a bike a pedestrian or a vehicle

    Is a person riding a bicycle in a cross walk (with or without the cross walk lights flashing) a pedestrian or a vehicle on the road just like any other.
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    I had the same question but to those damn stupid scooters!!!!!!
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    I think I have answered my own question

    From: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan....shtml#bicycle
    A bicycle is a vehicle that:
    has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals
    is designed to be propelled by muscular power
    has no age restriction for operators
    can be operated on most roadways (e.g., not allowed to travel on 400 series highways)
    cannot be operated across a roadway within a pedestrian cross-over

    Am I correct in my assumption that the last part would indicate that a bike being actively ridden has no business in a crosswalk at all, and at an intersection with no east/west control and stop signs for north/south in a north/south cross walk the bike should be yielding right of way to the east/west cars. Regardless of the status of the crosswalk lights?

    Directions are just an example to clarify the type of intersection in question if it makes a difference.

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    Drizit, I know this is the SAVE section but I know parts of the answer - I worked in the bike industry for quite a while.

    As I understand: Lots of municipalities have bylaws against riding a bike with >20" wheels on the sidewalk, and often times a crosswalk constitutes a sidewalk. So, if you have an adult riding a bike across a crosswalk to cross the street they are not doing the right thing to start with. Small kids bikes, or an adult walking their bike across a street would be obvious exceptions.

    If you think of a bicycle as a severely underpowered motorcycle, you're on the right track.

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    Thanks hustler that's about what I thought I was just looking for confirmation.

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    i always thought that bicycles were supposed to follow the rules of the road same as auto's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizit View Post
    Is a person riding a bicycle in a cross walk (with or without the cross walk lights flashing) a pedestrian or a vehicle on the road just like any other.
    To answer your original question, yes a bicycle is a "vehicle" within the definition of the Highway Traffic Act, but not a "motor vehicle".

    To understand, when you read the legislation, you will see some sections in the Act refer to one, and some to the other.

    By-laws can create different sets of rules, but will not reverse what the HTA sets out.

    I hope this helps!
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    Not sure if this is the right threa or I should post another but what about these stupid e-scooter, I see guys riding them down the road, wearing a bicycle helmet, in traffic? They are slow, impede traffic, the lights are not that bright on them, so what's the story here? Are e-scooters allowed in traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bierchef View Post
    Not sure if this is the right threa or I should post another but what about these stupid e-scooter, I see guys riding them down the road, wearing a bicycle helmet, in traffic? They are slow, impede traffic, the lights are not that bright on them, so what's the story here? Are e-scooters allowed in traffic?
    There was a thread on that already.

    http://www.jeepkings.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=125091

    It is a confusing topic to say the least, as there are so many classes of these things. Take the time and read the MTO info about them, its all in there.

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    Would it then follow then that bicycles should not pass on the right when cars are waiting at red lights? That drives me nuts.
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