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    Engine Swap and Emissions

    Engine swaps in the Jeep community are not unheard of. The majority of these swaps replace the stock 2.4/2.5 or 4.0L with another powerplant (e.g. Hemi, 305/350, VW diesel, etc.) that started life in another on-highway vehicle. What about engine swaps that use off-highway engines (engines never certified for on-highway use by the EPA or Environment Canada. e.g. engines used in construction, generators, marine, etc.)? Is it legal to replace your engine with one that is not emissions certified for on-highway use?
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    As an FYI to further my question above... Please don't confuse emission testing in this province for "emission certification for on-highway use". The maximum emission levels are different (both measured differently and defined differently), the testing procedure is different, and the governing body is different (provincial vs. federal). The sniff-test was never intended for certification, it was put in place to ensure vehicles were maintained well enough to meet very liberal emission requirements. Engine replacements are accounted for in this test, but it is generally understood that the replacement engine would be another on-highway certified engine. As an example, up until January 12 or 15th of last year, off-highway diesel engines used a different testing procedure (8-mode test) compared to their on-highway equivalent (transient test). I'm familiar with the Federal diesel requirements, but I'm not familiar with the Federal requirements for spark-ignition, hence my question in bold above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U Turn View Post
    If you can't get it passed emissions you can't licence it. If you can figure out how to and have your insurance deem it not to be a "hit rod" you can drop what ever you want in to it.
    my yj is an 87 i have no test .....how would that affect me

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    Not trying to be a dink, but I thought for this forum, we ask the questions, and the save officer answers them, not just any person that feels like it?
    Just trying to get clarification is all
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    ^ You're a dink!

    It would probably be best to move this to general tech since this doesn't have anything to do with the SAVE team or policing in general.
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    My question is regarding the legalities of vehicle modification which does fall under the the umbrella of this forum. Even with emission standards set at the Federal level, it is still enforced at the provincial and municipal level.

    General Tech is more for a 'How-to' forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTD NUT View Post
    ^ You're a dink!

    It would probably be best to move this to general tech since this doesn't have anything to do with the SAVE team or policing in general.
    Ya, so what? What do you expect from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EngineerJoe View Post
    My question is regarding the legalities of vehicle modification which does fall under the the umbrella of this forum. Even with emission standards set at the Federal level, it is still enforced at the provincial and municipal level.

    General Tech is more for a 'How-to' forum.
    My understanding of these laws and regulations regarding emissions mandates for on road and offroad engine applications and the legality of their interchangabilitly that you are inquiring about is that they are administered and enforced by the MTO and MOE. Though, like you said, much of the basis for the regulations is from federal standards administered by transport Canada. So, with that said, I believe it is reasonable to expect that this type of administration and enforcement falls outside of OPP mandates. But I'm sure the SAVE officer will clarify where the OPP stands with this.

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    Re: Engine Swap and Emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by thing1 View Post
    Not trying to be a dink, but I thought for this forum, we ask the questions, and the save officer answers them, not just any person that feels like it?
    Just trying to get clarification is all
    You would be correct sir.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CTD NUT View Post
    My understanding of these laws and regulations regarding emissions mandates for on road and offroad engine applications and the legality of their interchangabilitly that you are inquiring about is that they are administered and enforced by the MTO and MOE. Though, like you said, much of the basis for the regulations is from federal standards administered by transport Canada. So, with that said, I believe it is reasonable to expect that this type of administration and enforcement falls outside of OPP mandates. But I'm sure the SAVE officer will clarify where the OPP stands with this.
    You are also correct sir. My understanding is the same, administered by TC and enforced by MOE.

    I will attempt to find out something if I can, but this is so far beyond my area of knowledge I'm not sure if I have any contacts that could shed some light on this.

    For those that might have first hand information on this, feel free to start a thread in gen tech or off topic if you like.

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