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    No license and buying a vehicle; what's involved and how do I do it?

    Hi guys. I am underage, cannot apply for a license, buy I LOVE jeeps, and want one bad, and have a budget for something cheap as a farm beater that may turn into a daily driver one day (hopefully). I am particularly interested in a yj (preferably not 4.2 carb, but if its good I might bite) and I know ohhh you should save up for a tj or something more practical and ohhhhhh tj's are better because they can take a lift kit and bigger tires better and ride better than a yj and have a coated frame and tub and don't rust out near as easy but come on, I don't need that, it'll eventually turn into a frame off resto/build/mod, plus, I think tj's are uuuuglay, mostly the interior, well just the interior actually, and tjs cost a wee bit prettier of a penny for a good one. I'm thinkin somewhere along the lines of 4'' susp lift, 1'' body lift, 33's, sye, bedliner coating the inside of the tub, custom navy blue paintjob, a roof basket that doesn't mount to rollcage or hard top, countless mods under the hood to squeeze as much torque to the wheels as possible like serpentine belt-driven rad fan to electric rad fan, etc etc the list goes on, but that's later, wayyyy later. I have way more fun crawling and going slow than I would going fast, 4 inch lift, not 4 inch drop, you know? Anyways, now to the best part, legally getting that thing under my name and getting a fully legal title. We've got a farm with some trails that we use a 93 grand cherokee on, but cant take the top off, windshield down, doors off, you get my drift. more fun in the sun, or in the mud shall I say. What's it cost for me to get a title? Whats involved, how do I do it? I'm no newbie when it comes to jeeps, but I'm as green as they get when it comes to titles and whatnot. Thanks pippylongstockings for getting me into the square headlights and yj's, and thanks for involving me with jeeps in general. So far with our grand Cherokee Laredo, I've done a rad replacement, a tranny cooling line fix, rear brake drum fix, and random other crap. I love wrenching on anything automotive, or anything with an internal combustion engine for that matter, and slow feels better than fast (I'm talking about rock crawling) and getting muddy sounds like a great idea, I've had second thoughts about getting stuck, especially without a winch etc etc, so a jeep was the best of both worlds. Thanks guys, I look forward to learning the ropes with the legal business and chatting with you guys. It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand!!

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    I don't think you need a license to buy, you need one to drive.
    You don't have to transfer the ownership into your name immediately as long as cert and etest don't matter yet (I don't think there is time limit) but always retain your bill of sale.
    I believe you could also register it as unfit, but I am not sure how this works.
    Best bet is get a ride to the MTO and ask.

    Also, paragraphs next time please.
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    dont you have to register within 10 days; check this http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...d.shtml#buying but if your going to be using it on the farm
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    Sorry headhunter, What don't I have to register in 10 days?

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    that was supposed to be you have to register the vehicle in 6 days, but as i said i wouldn't worry if your staying on private property. check the web addy i posted

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    I realize I don't need a drivers license to buy a vehicle, I'm just concerned about the legalities regarding the purchasing my first vehicle. I haven't purchased anything yet, but I want one bad.

    I had a feeling safety and etest would come into play. So it needs to pass a safety and etest within a certain timeframe? Damnnnn... I would like more info on the unfit thing you mentioned. Also, I knew about the transferring of the ownership to my name immediately, but will that incur more charges and money?
    I will be going to the mto soon, I just wanted to know as much as I could from you guys.

    Sure, thanks for that I'll keep that in mind for any next posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    I realize I don't need a drivers license to buy a vehicle, I'm just concerned about the legalities regarding thepurchasing my first vehicle.


    ^ This sentence doesn’t make much sense. Since you realize that you do not require adrivers licence to lawfully buy a vehicle, you should be able to logically conclude that you understand the legality of buying said vehicle without a drivers licence…ie, it’s legal to do so.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    I had a feeling safety and etest would come into play.


    Now what you are talking about is making your vehicle legal for the road which has little to do with the purchase of a vehicle. You can buy a vehicle with absolutely no consideration in regards to a safety or an etest. That is your choice to do so.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    So it needs to pass a safety andetest within a certain timeframe?


    No, it does not. You can own a vehicle for an eternity without ever having to pass a safety inspectionor etest. There is no law that requires that a vehicle has a safety or etest while you own it….UNLESS you are registering it to be road legal.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    I would like more info on the unfitthing you mentioned.


    Not much to it. “UNFIT” simply means that the vehicle has been registered in your name without actually having valid licence plates registered to the vehicle. IE, it is not registered to be roadworthy. When you are ready to make it road worthy, you will require a valid safety inspection, etest and proof of insurance at the time of registration to declare it “FIT” for the road. At which point, proof of a valid drivers licence would be required.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    Also, I knew about the transferring of the ownership to my name immediately, but will that incur more charges and money?


    It costs $5 to transfer a vehicle title into your name. It will cost an additional to purchase the vehicle history package IF the seller does not provide it at the time ofsale. The seller has an obligation to provide the history package but frequently this does not happen. The burden to produce a history package the time of title transfer then becomes the responsibility of the buyer.





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    Thanks a million ctd. Your knowledge is much appreciated.

    I have been told a few times that safety and etest would come into play, but I have misunderstood or been misinformed.

    So I should ask for a vehicle history package, is this different from a Used Vehicle Information Package? From what I know, I must be presented with one at time of sale (illegal not to) so I do not think they are the same as you said, ''The seller has an obligation to provide the history package but frequently this does not happen.''

    Wonderful, being able to transfer a vehicle into your own name without having to get the vehicle through a safety and e test is a huge relief.

    Can't thank you enough for letting me pick your brain for this info, much much appreciated.

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    vehicle history package = Used Vehicle Information Package = UVIP

    You can try to force the seller to get one, but they might tell you to take a hike.
    They don't have to sell you the vehicle if they don't want to.
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    No license and buying a vehicle; what's involved and how do I do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonjeep101 View Post
    I think tj's are uuuuglay

    Thanks pippylongstockings for getting me into the square headlights and yj's!!
    The youth are so mislead these days...

    Perhaps the square headlights seem cool or retro to the 90's and 2000's sucklings but I remember the 80's when every car, truck and motorcycle (besides the classy ones)has square headlights
    They were ghey then and still are.

    Chrysler at least learned from their mistake and corrected it.

    Btw if you continue down the same path as pippi you may even end up with a H2 or 3 in your fleet. It's not a good path to be on.
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    Okay so...

    When I bought my parts/project XJ I had to present my driver's license. I can't remember if this was just 'government photo ID' or if they specifically wanted my Ontario Driver's License.

    Anyway the cost to the grubbermint is the registration, UVIP which is $20, and tax on either the purchase price or Blue Book Wholesale Value (probably Rough), whichever is greater. In my case I bought the XJ for $300, and the wholesale value for a 2001 Cherokee in rough shape was $1200, so I paid HST on the $1200. I registered as unfit so that was it. As mentioned DriveClean and safety certification are required to get the vehicle licensed for use on public roads. If the ID thing poses a problem you could have a parent hold onto it until you get your G1, family transfers are super cheap and don't have the usual conditions.
    But our trip was different. It was to be a classic affirmation of everything right and true in the national character. A gross physical salute to the fantastic possibilities of life in this country. But only for those with true grit.

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    something else you will need, if you buy said jeep, if its more than 20yrs old you also require an appraisal for transfer of ownership. Buy the $20. package first, the employee behind the counter will inform you if you require one. Your used vehicle package will say $0.00 value meaning you pay tax on appraisal.
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    The MTO will want a driver's licence for transfer. My daughter's boyfriend bought a car without a licence and had to put it in his mother's name. But when you change it to your name after you get your G1, you and your mother/father just go to the MTO office and fill out a "gifting" form. This way you don't pay the tax again and you don't have to get the package. you just pay a transfer fee. Parents can "gift" a vehicle to the same child once a year. I have done this twice with my dad over the years.
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