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    Steering wheel shake

    I have a 2013 JKUR. I installed the rough country 2.5 spacer kit last July. I had 15000 on it when I installed it, I now have 36000. I had no issues with the install and no issues with a wobble til about a week ago. I noticed when I hit a bump my steering wheel shakes back and forth for a second or so. Then on my way home from work driving down Bathurst at st Clair I dodged a pothole and it seemed to shake a bit longer. When I got home I put the front on jack stands and checked ball joints, tie rods and tried to tighten my track bar, but couldn't budge it. I don't have a torque wrench to torque it 125lbs. Does anybody have any ideas. I gotta drive my wife and daughter up north on Sunday and not sure if the jeep is safe to drive them. I never got an alignment after I installed it.

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    Have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth with the engine off and get under the jeep and observe the track bar for any play in the bushings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTD NUT View Post
    Have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth with the engine off and get under the jeep and observe the track bar for any play in the bushings.
    Tried that already

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    Well, if you have satisfied your suspension and steering are in good shape with no loose components, swap/rotate tires front to back and see what happens on those same spots on the road.

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    Are you using a stock steering stabilizer, or aftermarket?
    Stock size tires or larger?
    There are worn parts in your front end steering and suspension which need to be looked at
    before you go for a drive up north. If unable to find the source of the issue, you should take it
    to a shop and have a technician look at it.

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    If nothing else, you should at least have the alignment checked, too much caster can cause issue too, although I doubt it's adjustable with the kit you have. Any unusual tire wear?

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    Make sure stabilizer is disconnected when doing the steering test.... That will help you see the motion.... Mine was in ball joints and alignment.

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    Stock tires and stabilizer. I do have uneven tire wear on the front, but I had the same on my stock 2011 JKUR.

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    I just left the garage and they said it's the stabilizer. Ball joints and tie rods are good. Is it safe to be driving on highway for a couple of hours.?

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    A worn out steering stabilizer is NEVER the source of death wobble. It may help mask a pre-existing problem by dampening the effects of the steering shimmy felt in the steering wheel but it is not the cause of it. Worn steering or suspension joints/bushings (usually the track bar) are usually the problem followed by alignment that is way off followed by tires that are wearing poorly or have bad carcasses.

    Frequently, a quick and simple way to rule out tires is to rotate them front to back.

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    Personally, I would be ok with driving a vehicle that has a mild death wobble issue down the highway a couple of hours but that is just me. I wouldn't be terribly happy about it but I have driven enough miles in different vehicles over the years with death wobble that I wouldn't let it stop me from going where I need to go. I realize some people find it very unnerving and that is certainly understandable.

    Severe cases of death wobble can be another story but your description of the symptoms doesn't sound like you are anywhere close to that point just yet.

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    Dont forget to check the rear trackbar......espesially if your kit came with a trackbar relocation bracket instead of a rear adjustablr track bar. Thats an easy check as well. Need 2 people, one to push/pull the jeep side to side by grippjng the end of the rear bumper, other to look for any slight movement at tne TB bushings or relocate bracket.

    re check the front, put your finger at the trackbsr bushings and bolts.....if you feel any movement, rebush, retorqe bolts. Minor DW will yield only little moveme t at the TB that you may only be able to feel

    its always the trackbars. Even if a all new steering components are installed, it may seem better, but you will notice those new parts wont last long and DW will be back....worse.
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    I haven't had my SS on since last fall and I get the same thing over potholes, just a bit of steering wheel shake and vibrations. Nothing close to DW, it only lasts a second or two..
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    Quote Originally Posted by spitfire View Post
    I never got an alignment after I installed it. Any ideas?
    ^ theres 'an idea' of how the problem got started lol... lifting even only 2" is going to change a whole lot of angles, wearing out bushing, joints, tires etc.
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    Tie rods need to be checked with the wheels on the ground.

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    Re: Steering wheel shake

    Quote Originally Posted by just_in View Post
    Tie rods need to be checked with the wheels on the ground.

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    Same with the Track bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spitfire View Post
    Stock tires and stabilizer. I do have uneven tire wear on the front, but I had the same on my stock 2011 JKUR.
    You say uneven how does it look??

    The fact that your stating it was fine for the last 25,000km or what ever makes me think that something is wearing out over time in the front end and now you are starting to see it!

    Shop telling you its a stabalizer is bull, take it to a known jeep shop not some canadian tire garage to get a better inspection from guys who truely know jeeps!

    My 2012 has had steering issues for the last year and a half but every time it has been something different!

    First Issue: Installed rough country 3.5" lift came with drop pitman arm, their casting process quality sucks and it didnt fit the sector shaft on the box well, so the steering was all over the road and wobbly and scary, pulled that out and put factory pitman on with high steer flip kit instead.

    Second Issue : front ujoints were shot and sticking and had play causing a vibration and shimmy at about 80-100km/h

    Third issue : blown steering box play in the sector shaft and a feeling of a clunk in the steering wheel

    Fourth issue: Bump steer after scrapping all rough country stuff and getting quality parts (mix matching parts gets confusing to make work together)

    Fitfh Issue: Shimmy shake after pot holes or big bumper - This is NOT DW true death wobble causes you to stop driving, a shimmy or shake after a pothole is something out of balance or out of wack loose or worn.
    Got tires road force balanced which is not cheap like $400 and got a laser alignment and the jeep is driving like new again!

    so over the months multiple different things have happened to my jeep and i have become sort of an expert on the front end of JKs now haha spent many hours and hundreds of dollars under there! If you want me to check it out sometime shoot me a PM and we can meet up
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    I 2nd the drop pitman arm, it puts a lot of stress on the sector shaft, I've had mine come loose twice. Putting a Hi steer now withOEM pitman arm. The nut I believe is torqued to 165 ftlbs not sure exactly. The thing I've seen is the upper travck bar bolt may seem tight but there is movement in the bushing, bushing sleeve 9/16 hole, frame hole 14mm & a 12mm bolt never stays tight. I've seen this ona 4 month old 2013 JKUR, the upper bushing was trashed. May be best to remove the track bar to have visual inspection of the the bushing, look for marks on the inside of the bushing. Hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YjJkJeep family View Post
    I 2nd the drop pitman arm, it puts a lot of stress on the sector shaft, I've had mine come loose twice. Putting a Hi steer now withOEM pitman arm. The nut I believe is torqued to 165 ftlbs not sure exactly. The thing I've seen is the upper travck bar bolt may seem tight but there is movement in the bushing, bushing sleeve 9/16 hole, frame hole 14mm & a 12mm bolt never stays tight. I've seen this ona 4 month old 2013 JKUR, the upper bushing was trashed. May be best to remove the track bar to have visual inspection of the the bushing, look for marks on the inside of the bushing. Hope it helps.
    Yup!

    Pretty sure i torque my sector nut to 180ft/lbs

    and everything else i got 130-140ft/lbs

    many guys are replacing the factory bolts which are theaded the whole length is shoulder bolts 9/16" grade 8 i havent decided if i believe this is needed or not yet hahaha but its a thought

    One very inportant thing to do after installing a lift kit on these is to loosen every single bolt under there control arms steering trac bar end links with the jeep on the ground give it a shake to let it all settle then torque everything! reason being the rubber bushing from factory are pinched by the arms and shit so you put a lot of stress on it if you dont loosen and retorque after lifting it! then check your alignment but for a 2" lift your alingment should be fine because i bet if its just spacers you really only ended up with 1.5" of lift which is nothing really more then likely you have a loose trac bar, or pitman arm, or shot steering box there cheap boxes with bushings now a days no bearings if you get the clunk in the steering wheel that more then likely your box

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    Read over this and keep tackling it youll get it fixed!

    http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3...n-Do-to-Fix-it

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