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    axle upgrade opinions

    i'm looking into upgrading my axles next year to full width, obviously best is kingpin dana 60 but i'm on a tight budget so looking into other options as well... my 98 tj is a daily driver/trail rig for now. looking at running 35's for now but bigger in the future.... and gear ratio is another thing.... i don't wanna go to a dana44 , and i'm not worried about kingpins and or balljoints... looking for some input and what trucks to look out for that i might want parts from....thankx guys....
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    If you want to go one-tons you will not want to go to 35s. There just won't be the clearance under the diffs that you need.

    If you are looking for one tons....anything Ford F350 or Super Duty and thus a front Dana 60 will do the job well. The most desirable (and thus hardest to find and most expensive) is a 1979 "snowfighter" Dana 60. It has the most tube on the drivers side to allow for utilizing coil springs and shocks, which keeps things cheap. This also allows you to use a one-piece (and thus cheaper and easier to buy/build front driveshaft). I built my front using a 1997 F350 (ball-joints and spindles) and used coilovers to fit front suspension on. I also needed a two-piece front driveshaft which was not cheap. The newer Super Duty (1999+) housings are beefier but have almost no exposed tube on the drivers side and you will more than likely need that two piece front driveshaft to do it.

    Rear axle is simple....early model 14 bolt. Not too hard to find and aftermarket parts are plentiful and locally (TMR Customs) made! You can setup any suspension you want as there is plenty of room to play with.

    One-ton swaps are not cheap. Plan on putting new gears/bearings in all axles. Plan on a complete redesign of your suspension (3link front/4link rear). Plan to go with hydraulic assist steering also. Budget for 8-bolt rims and at least 37" tires. Plan on having a daily-driver that is NOT this Jeep.
    My swap took me a full year and cost me a whole lot more than I had ever dreamed was possible.
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    He knows what he's talking about. He almost gave up and sold it a couple of times. You won't want a 1 ton daily driver. If you want to save money on your build just buy rubicon6's jeep and be done.

    If you plan on going 35, possibly up to 37s stay with full width 44s and use a jana install kit for D50 or JK gears
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    A buddy is selling dana 50 & 10.5 i can pick up for good price from a f250... thought about those too...

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    If your only going with 35's just swap in a xj front axle and a ford 8.8 if the mounts are still in good shape from your d35 just re use them on the ford axle and both can be found with 4:10 gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juscuz View Post
    A buddy is selling dana 50 & 10.5 i can pick up for good price from a f250... thought about those too...
    Not worth it. Putting those in would be as much work and cost as a set of "real" worthy one-tons.

    The decision you have to make is relatively simple...if not an easy one. You either decide to go full out with one-tons and all (full new suspension setup) that it entails or you decide to keep it "stock" (stock style long arms or whatever) and upgrade a "stock" set of axles. If you are going to put full widths in just go one-tons. You will spend the same money putting in a set of 3/4 ton full widths are you would putting one-tons in. Waste of time and money. Think about where you want to be and what you want to do with your rig.

    Putting in an HP30 from and XJ, a rear ford 8.8, sticking with stock-style suspension and maybe a bolt-on aftermarket long-arm kit is a good way to go. You can easily DD that rig and it is capable depending on where you want to go.

    Putting in one-tons, a full custom suspension, new fuel tank, new brackets, new steering setup, and all the other odds and ends it entails is not for everyone. I love my Jeep but I don't want to drive it down the highway everyday.

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    I'm not sure why you TJ/YJ guys keep taking shit out of our XJ's... (axles, trannys, tcases) you guys should stick to your own crappy stock parts or go to tonnes... don't just upgrade to our parts
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    Re: axle upgrade opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by sk8snwmx View Post
    I'm not sure why you TJ/YJ guys keep taking shit out of our XJ's... (axles, trannys, tcases) you guys should stick to your own crappy stock parts or go to tonnes... don't just upgrade to our parts
    I'm going to come pillage your XJ for parts!

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    Re: axle upgrade opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by sk8snwmx View Post
    I'm not sure why you TJ/YJ guys keep taking shit out of our XJ's... (axles, trannys, tcases) you guys should stick to your own crappy stock parts or go to tonnes... don't just upgrade to our parts
    Agreed!!! When I do my Axle swap I am going to have to think long and hard about re-gearing my hp Dana 30 when it comes out. I'm swaping out to 410's but the front axle going in is a lp. So I might have to get my hp 30 geared and put it in later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverKill View Post
    I'm going to come pillage your XJ for parts!
    nothing you need here... after we just rolled it over and dragged it out, it sit for a week then turned the key and it started right up...
    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Sheep View Post
    Agreed!!! When I do my Axle swap I am going to have to think long and hard about re-gearing my hp Dana 30 when it comes out. I'm swaping out to 410's but the front axle going in is a lp. So I might have to get my hp 30 geared and put it in later on.
    4:10 is for race cars, go 4:56/88s and keep the hp30/chr8.25, keep some trail spares and get some chromo's and run your 35's without worry and 500lbs or more less then having 'tonnes' under there. unless your going straight to buggy/ultra-4 then fully trussed 60's as Punnisher1 has suggested in detail!
    Last edited by sk8snwmx; 06-01-2014 at 10:20 PM.

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    Re: axle upgrade opinions

    [QUOTE=sk8snwmx;1349491

    4:10 is for race cars, go 4:56/88s and keep the hp30/chr8.25, keep some trail spares and get some chromo's and run your 35's without worry and 500lbs or more less then having 'tonnes' under there. unless your going straight to buggy/ultra-4 then fully trussed 60's as Punnisher1 has suggested in detail![/QUOTE]

    I'm only running 33's right now so 4.10's is good for me for now



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