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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

    Yes I know how to use google but figured I'd look on here to see if anyone has any good links or knowledge on doing SOA and/or anti wrap set ups.

    I currently have 4" leaf springs, 2" shackles, and 3" body lift. With HP 30 & 8.8. Body lift has to stay but I'm hoping to get rid of the shackle lift and go SOA. Also hoping so swap in my SYE T case. And I know nothing about building anti wrap setups. I'm sure it's not rocket appliances but I'm sure there are also some things I need to know that I don't.

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    I'm not spring over but i still had to make up an anti wrap bar for mine. I running a chevy 350 In the jeep and have snap the rear springs in half and I was also changing DS u-joints every wheelin trip due to the axle wrap. This is the one i copied mine from and works well.

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    I also tried to keep the bottom bar at the same angle as the DS and a bit lower so it will help with protect the DS from bigger rocks and help as a slider going over them. I also attached mine right to the skid plate. As well I kept it as close to the dif as i could to help with the flex so the heim joint at the front end would not have to rotate as much.
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    I post a ton of details tomorrow but quickly because its late i'd mention a couple of things. Doing SOA properly is not inexpensive that is a myth. Also I run RE SOA 1.5" lift springs and easily clear 40" tires so 4" lift springs and SOA is going to be ginormous.
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    DWG thank you, I'll give that a good look over when I have time.

    RBJeepThing, I'm well aware. I plan on going to those springs or maybe stock springs. Cheapest I've found those Springs for is $200 each... I already own a built 231 with super short sye, I have WJ cross over steering and brakes and plan to add hydro assist. I know I need stock shackles and spring perches and new U bolts. Anti wrap, new rear drive shaft. New bushings. What am I missing?

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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

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    I need one or two!

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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

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    You had me at "rocket appliances". Awesome!
    I figured you'd like that one!

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    Are you planning on SOA with the 4" lift springs?
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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

    Quote Originally Posted by MUD DAWG View Post
    Are you planning on SOA with the 4" lift springs?
    No. Either 1.5" SOA springs or stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverKill View Post
    No. Either 1.5" SOA springs or stock.

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    Good, or you would've been very unhappy. I went SOA on one of my YJs, and it was a million times better than a lift kit. The stock leafs are weak, and you'll bend them. I went to a spring shop and added a leaf to the pack, then installed the anti wrap bar, pretty much like DWG. However, mine wasn't greaseable, which proved to be a big mistake.

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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

    Quote Originally Posted by Curt's_97 View Post
    Don't forget the 4 johnny joints, jam nuts, bungs, 4 bushings, some tube and used rear tj lift Springs. Lol
    I see what you did there... Lol no,i don't know anything about link geometry so I'm staying away from making my own 4 link for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverKill View Post
    RBJeepThing, I'm well aware. I plan on going to those springs or maybe stock springs. Cheapest I've found those Springs for is $200 each... I already own a built 231 with super short sye, I have WJ cross over steering and brakes and plan to add hydro assist. I know I need stock shackles and spring perches and new U bolts. Anti wrap, new rear drive shaft. New bushings. What am I missing?
    This is my parts list that would cross over to your build minus my MORE SOA Steering kit (since you have WJ stuff) and a MORE Anti-Wrap bar see explanation. These spring perches are extra long to prevent axle wrap and also allow you to adjust the wheel base. The plan originally was to use the MORE Anti-Wrap bar but after using these perches and the use of the RE SOA springs I had next to no axle wrap. I actually took a tip from this DWG's build and filmed it with a GoPro mounted under the Jeep to confirm while driving.

    TMR also makes the perches and plates so I would suggest pricing through them since the US dollar is so strong right now along with them being local.

    Tip for doing the front perches: For welding the perches on the front axle I found it easiest to set it on jack stands with an angle finder on the spring perch. I rotated the axle till it was at zero degrees. I then put the new perch on the opposite side of the tube at the same zero degrees and tacked it into place. For me the castor was bang on and the DS angle was acceptable since I was essentially copying the stock setting.

    Parts List:
    #RE1444 - Rubicon Express Springs x 2
    #RE1445 - Rubicon Express Springs x 2
    #RE1492 - Rubicon Express 1.5" ID Spring Bushings (4 Springs) x 1
    #RE2775 - Rubicon Express Boomerang Shackles x 2 (Not required but figured while we were in there)
    #RE1920 - Rubicon Express Front Offset Spring Perchs x 1
    #RE1930 - Rubicon Express Rear Spring Perchs x 1
    #RE2421 - Rubicon Express Front U-Bolt Kit x 1
    8.8 Rear U-Bolt Kit x 1
    #RE2055 - Rubicon Express Spring Plate x 4

    The only other thing you will likely need are shocks and shock mounts but those will depend on your setup and how you chose to run them.
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    Looking for SOA / anti wrap info

    Quote Originally Posted by RBJeepThing View Post
    This is my parts list that would cross over to your build minus my MORE SOA Steering kit (since you have WJ stuff) and a MORE Anti-Wrap bar see explanation. These spring perches are extra long to prevent axle wrap and also allow you to adjust the wheel base. The plan originally was to use the MORE Anti-Wrap bar but after using these perches and the use of the RE SOA springs I had next to no axle wrap. I actually took a tip from this DWG's build and filmed it with a GoPro mounted under the Jeep to confirm while driving.

    TMR also makes the perches and plates so I would suggest pricing through them since the US dollar is so strong right now along with them being local.

    Tip for doing the front perches: For welding the perches on the front axle I found it easiest to set it on jack stands with an angle finder on the spring perch. I rotated the axle till it was at zero degrees. I then put the new perch on the opposite side of the tube at the same zero degrees and tacked it into place. For me the castor was bang on and the DS angle was acceptable since I was essentially copying the stock setting.

    Parts List:
    #RE1444 - Rubicon Express Springs x 2
    #RE1445 - Rubicon Express Springs x 2
    #RE1492 - Rubicon Express 1.5" ID Spring Bushings (4 Springs) x 1
    #RE2775 - Rubicon Express Boomerang Shackles x 2 (Not required but figured while we were in there)
    #RE1920 - Rubicon Express Front Offset Spring Perchs x 1
    #RE1930 - Rubicon Express Rear Spring Perchs x 1
    #RE2421 - Rubicon Express Front U-Bolt Kit x 1
    8.8 Rear U-Bolt Kit x 1
    #RE2055 - Rubicon Express Spring Plate x 4

    The only other thing you will likely need are shocks and shock mounts but those will depend on your setup and how you chose to run them.
    That is basically exactly what I planned on doing. I was eyeballing the spring perches from TMR. You have no idea how happy I am to hear you had good luck with axle wrap. I was hoping to avoid the anti wrap bar at least at first. It will really help keep the cost down. Got any suggestions on where to get the springs for a good price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverKill View Post
    That is basically exactly what I planned on doing. I was eyeballing the spring perches from TMR. You have no idea how happy I am to hear you had good luck with axle wrap. I was hoping to avoid the anti wrap bar at least at first. It will really help keep the cost down. Got any suggestions on where to get the springs for a good price?

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    I'll send you a PM for price on the springs.

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    I did something different called a slip and twist. It works very well. Have a look at my build. It's towards the end of the thread. Did a stretch at the same time I went SOA in the rear.

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    http://www.tmrcustoms.com/store/inde...oducts_id=1979

    Thoughts on this style? I like the idea of using regular grade 8 bolts. A lot easier to get your hands on in a pinch. Just not sure about that extra with on the short side of the front axle... Also not sure if they are as long as the U bolt style TMR sells. So not sure if they will have my axle wrap or not....

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    SOA is not cheap. When you try to go cheap and add better stuff later you just break a lot and spend the same money a few times over.

    Stock springs are junk in a SOA. Get the proper RE 1.5” SOA springs. Do it now. You will save money by not waiting. The rest of the perches etc buy whatever is on sale and works. But get those springs.

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