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    ULSD Q's

    so we got the dezzel grand... and i was talking to CC and he said that Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel is hard to find... so i have been doing a little research and from what i gather is that the government has mandated that all diesel sold as of June 1 2006 be of the ULS variety? is that correct?

    Low Sulpher Diesel pumps are YELLOW

    ULSD pumps are GREEN

    if it is mandated, then does pump colour matter? i filled up with Ultra Diesel at Shell the other day, it didnt say ULSD on the pump and the pump was BLACK... wtf does that mean? the Ultra was 2.5 cents more then regular diesel.

    long gone are the days of DIESEL IS DIESEL i guess
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    We have a Libby CRD - if the pump handle is yellow it goes in the tank. I don't trust a black pump. Last thing I want is petrol in my oil burner I've yet to see a black diesel pump though I guess you can always sniff the nozzle first!
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    could've been dark green... i am colour blind LOL

    this isnt my first diesel, but it is the first to call for ULSD... or is it the first one that i cared what fuel i put in.... i dunno

    it deffinately was diesel, it cost $1.12/L!!!

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    from what I have heard is that sunoco and shell have the best diesel out there right now. they have 2 types, shell calls they're diesel Ultra and sunoco calls it gold diesel. They get they're diesel from the same refinery

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    ya i am going to use the shell or sunoco... sunoco diesel is hard to find...

    i think shell sells the diesel to sunoco... but i am not sure

    shell spent 400 million to upgrade their refinery, reducing the sulpher by 90%

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    Ill try and find my documentation on USLD for you and the sulfer and soot comarison of LSD and ULSD.

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    Graph 4.7: Sulphur Levels in Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel by Refinery / Importer in 2005




    Graph 4.8: Sulphur Levels in Regular Diesel Fuel by Refinery / Importer in 2005



    Apparently Shell has some of the highest levels of sulphur
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBJeepThing View Post
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    Apparently Shell has some of the highest levels of sulphur
    You're looking at LSD levels from 2005 not ULSD levels from 2007. I wouldn't put much faith in 3 yr old data as far as diesel refining is concerned.

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    The Ultra handle is black at Shell, but it's pretty hard to screw up since they are both on the front of the diesel pump.

    I though bio-diesel was the green? I have only ever been to one bio-diesel station (old Kennedy Rd and Steeles) and it was green there.
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    shell spent 400 million in 05 to upgrade the refineries to beat the 2006 mandate...

    looks like ultra diesel and god diesel are the winners...damnit, that stuff is 1.10 per litre... i guess i shoulda looked at diesel prices before i bougt a diesel...
    oh well still getting better mileage then a gas grand... i think
    and it looks like i am going to be paying for alll the diesel in the grand... so my wife doesnt know how much it is to fill... LOL "bah it only took 70 bux" LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubi Jane View Post
    You're looking at LSD levels from 2005 not ULSD levels from 2007. I wouldn't put much faith in 3 yr old data as far as diesel refining is concerned.
    Where did I say USLD? Those graphs were the only data I could find on Ontario Diesel.

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    I heard that as of 06 all Diesel in Canada must meet Euro standard for diesel with respect to cleanliness. My father fills with Sunoco in his Ram and always gets the best mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBJeepThing View Post
    Where did I say USLD? Those graphs were the only data I could find on Ontario Diesel.
    When you use the word "has", as in....
    Quote Originally Posted by RBJeepThing View Post
    Apparently Shell has some of the highest levels of sulphur
    it infers the present/current timeframe. Data from 2005 isn't too current even if it is the only graph you could find.
    As for USLD, that's what the thread is about! Comparing LSD by company and then declaring Shell has some of the highest levels of sulphur has no relevance on what Shell's ULSD levels are like compared to other companies.

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    So will it damage the engine if you use LSD in an engine designed for ULSD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeMud View Post
    So will it damage the engine if you use LSD in an engine designed for ULSD?
    I'm a bit of a diesel n00b.
    It'll run crappy, that for sure. Plug up stuff. IF you can find "regular" diesel anywhere at that...
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    ok...
    so is all diesel ULSD? do have to use GOLD or ULTRA?

    i thought i had it... but now i am confused

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    Short answer....yes! All diesel being sold in Canada for on-road vehicle use must not be more than 15mg/kg as of Aug. 31 2006. Diesel for farm equipment, boats & trains have higher limits for another 2-4yrs then they'll be at 15mg/kg.

    Check Wikipedia for a quick link to ULSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low_sulfur_diesel
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    ^^^ thank you

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    Yeah Petro can (our supplier) has said all fule in pumps in canada is USLD. They havent switched the signage.

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    ULSD logo on pumps

    The BRAND NEW pumps that Petro-Can are installing for ULSD are YELLOW, but I would not choose any pump solely by color alone. To be safe always look for the ULSD logo on the pump before use. I recently saw a GREEN bio-diesel pump in Alliston, but again I would look for the ULSD logo.

    "Ultra" and "Gold" are for marketing and branding purposes only and may not be unique to their diesel products so again always look for the ULSD logo on the pump before use. The "Ultra" and "Gold" terms usually apply to the premium higher-octane products for better performance and/or mileage which is why they are more expensive than the standard products. Historically, Sunoco and Shell fuels have been preferred in competition and track vehicle circles for their higher octane and quality characteristics. Also, Esso is historically known for having the highest sulphur content in general.

    Running anything but ULSD may lead to maintenance and warranty issues. Also, try to stick to BRAND NEW stations and/or pumps for ULSD. The older stations and pumps will have built-up sulphur residue that will transfer to the ULSD and increase the sulphur ppm. This is also true for refineries so if you can isolate a ULSD refinery that is new there is less risk of residual sulphur transfer to your ULSD.

    Also, always fuel up with diesel BEFORE you visit the City of Toronto as there are very few diesel pumps of any kind in Toronto proper.
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