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    Quote Originally Posted by Ynot YJ View Post
    ^ Yeah, no kidding. Waaay too many people on this site quote this and that, blah blah blah but can't even get the most basic information right... It's MTO, not DMV...... give your head a shake...
    I said that jokingly actually . Theres descent information here. But it never hurts to do your own due diligence. Everyone says DMV, probably because of American TV shows

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    dont forget if your load (vehical+trailer dollie rope whatever) weighs more than 3000lbs you need a supplimental braking system.

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    StateTowing LengthBraking Requirements For Towing
    ALABAMATotal length: Not specified. Connection between vehicles must not exceed 15’ in length. Bill of sale required. Independent braking system required over 3,000 lbs. 1
    ALASKATotal length: 75’.Brake hookup required if over 3,000lbs. A breakaway system capable of applying all required brakes in the event of a separation from the towing vehicle is required. Independent braking system required for *GW of 5,000 lbs. or more. 2
    ARIZONATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when the *GW exceeds 3,000lbs. 2,3
    ARKANSASTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs or more. Every trailer 3,000lbs or more must have brakes adequate to control movement of and to stop and hold vehicle; and the brakes should automatically apply in the event of an accidental break-away. 2,3
    CALIFORNIATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 1,500lbs or more. Brakes must be sufficient to stop within a specified distance, according to vehicle weight, at 20mph.
    COLORADOTotal length: 70’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs or more. Brakes shall also be designed and connected that in case of accidental breakaway of the towed vehicle, brakes shall automatically apply. Lights must be mounted and displayed on the rear of the towed vehicle. Lights must be actuated by the driver of the towing vehicle. 2,3
    CONNECTICUTTotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs or more. Each trailer having *GW of 3,000lbs or more shall be equipped with a braking system operating on all wheels. 2,3
    DELAWARETotal length: 65’.Independent system required with a *GW of 4,000lbs or more. Trailers carrying a *GW of load in combination with a vehicle in excess of 4,000lbs. must be equipped with suitable brakes controlled by the operator of the towing vehicle. 10mph limit without brakes. 2,3
    DIST COLUMBIATotal length: 85’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs or more. There shall be a manually controlled device for applying and releasing the brakes that is readily operable by a person in the driving seat. 2
    FLORIDATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system and breakaway system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs or more. 2
    GEORGIATotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required with a *GW of 3,000lbs.or more Every trailer over 3,000lbs. **GVWR must be equipped with brakes on all wheels. 2
    HAWAIITotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. 2,3
    IDAHOTotal length: 75’.When weight is 1,500lbs or more, independent braking system required with breakaway system capable of applying the brakes in the event of a separation from towing vehicle. Must stop at any weigh station. 2
    ILLINOISTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Such brakes must be so designed and connected that in case of an accidental breakaway of a towed vehicle over 5,000lbs., the brakes are automatically applied. Brake hookup required if vehicle towed is over 3,000lbs.
    INDIANATotal length: 60’ for 2 vehicles & 65’ for 3 vehicles.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs. or more. A trailer at least 3,000lbs must have brakes adequate to control the movement, stop and hold the towing vehicle and trailer. These brakes must be designed so that the driver of the towing vehicle can apply the brakes from the towing vehicle itself and adequately stop both the towing vehicle and the trailer. 2,3
    IOWATotal length: 70’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Every trailer of a *GVW of 3,000lbs or more must be equipped with a separate, auxiliary means of applying brakes on the trailer from the cab of the towing vehicle. Registration required. 2,3
    KANSASTotal length: 65’Independent braking system always required. Also, not more than 2 vehicles shall be connected by a tow bar. 2
    KENTUCKYTotal length: 63’.Independent braking system not required . Kentucky law does not specifically require brakes on many passenger car trailers, regardless of weight. However, vehicles singular or in combination must be able to stop within distance specified by statute. No vehicle may haul more than 2 vehicles connected in such a manner to keep them evenly spaced, and any 1 time. 2,3
    LOUISIANATotal length: 70’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Brake hookup and light connection must be connected to primary towing vehicle lights. 2,3
    MAINETotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Maximum of 1 boat or general/utility trailer may be towed behind a passenger or pleasure vehicle – length combined cannot exceed 65’.
    MARYLANDTotal length: 55’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more.
    MASSACHUSETTSTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 10,000lbs or more. Towing vehicle must be able to stop trailer and towing vehicle within legal limits. 2,3
    MICHIGANTotal length: 65.’ (E)Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. 2,3
    MINNESOTATotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Breakaway system required when *GW is 6,000lbs. or more. 4,5
    MISSISSIPPITotal length: 53’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 2,000lbs or more. Brakes should be designed so that the driver of the towing vehicle from its cab may apply them. Brakes should be designed and connected so that in case of an accidental breakaway of the towed vehicle, the brakes should be automatically applied. Not more than 1 vehicle shall be towed by a tow bar. 2
    MISSOURITotal length: 65’ on interstate highways & 55’ on others.Independent braking system not required . 2
    MONTANATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. All trailers with a *GVW less than 3,000lbs must be equipped with brakes on all wheels if the total weight of the trailer does not exceed 40% of the *GVW of the towing vehicle. 2,3
    NEBRASKATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Breakaway required over 6,500lbs. 2
    NEVADATotal length: 70’. Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 3,000lbs.; 1,500lbs if manufactured 7/01/75 or newer model. Every towing vehicle used to tow another vehicle equipped with air-controlled brakes, shall be equipped with 2 means of emergency application of the trailer brakes. One means shall apply the brakes automatically in the event of a reduction of the towing vehicle air supply; the other means shall be a manually controlled device for applying and releasing the brakes, readily operable by a person seated in the driver seat. Every vehicle towing other vehicles equipped with vacuum brakes shall have a second control device that can be used to operate the brakes on towed vehicles in emergencies. The second controls shall be independent of brake air, hydraulic and other pressure, and independent of other controls, unless the braking system is so arranged that failure of the pressure upon which the second control depends will cause the brakes to be applied automatically. 6, (C)
    NEW HAMPSHIRETotal length: not specified.Independent braking system required when *GW is 1,500lbs or more. No vehicle may tow on any road more than 1 vehicle or trailer. 2,3
    NEW JERSEYTotal length: 62’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. In any combination of motor vehicles, means shall be provided for applying the trailer brakes in approximate synchronism with the brakes on the towing vehicles and creating the required braking effort on the wheels of the rearmost vehicle at the fastest rate, or means shall be provided for applying the braking effort first on the rearmost vehicle equipped with brakes. Registration of towed vehicles required if required by home state. Brake hookup required. Maximum of 1 boat or general utility trailer may be towed behind passenger or pleasure vehicle – total length of both not to exceed 62’. 2
    NEW MEXICOTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. In any combination of motor-drawn vehicles, means shall be provided for applying the rearmost trailer brakes in approximate synchronism with the brakes on the towing vehicle. Special permit required, available at ports of entry for $5. Bill of sale, title or ownership document required. Brake hookup required. 7
    NEW YORKTotal length: 65’. (A)Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. State Highways: Registration of towed auto not required. Auto towing in prohibited. N.Y.S. thruway: Registration and plates required for towed autos, which must be in operable condition.
    NORTH CAROLINATotal length: 60’Independent braking system is required when *GW is 4,000lbs or more. Every trailer or separate vehicle attached by a drawbar or coupling to a towing vehicle of at least 4,000lbs., and every house trailer weighing at least 1,000lbs., shall be equipped with brakes controlled or operated by the driver of the towing vehicle. 2,3
    NORTH DAKOTATotal length: 75’.Independent braking system required when towing. 2,8
    OHIOTotal length: 65’Independent braking system required when *GW is 2,000lbs or more. 2,3
    OKLAHOMATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. 2,3
    OREGONTotal length: 65’. (B)Independent braking system not required , but combination of vehicles must be able to stop within legal limits. Every motor vehicle and combination of motor vehicles, except motorcycles and mopeds, shall at all times be equipped with a parking brake system. Unlawful to operate more than 2 vehicles in combination. Any vehicle being towed must be equipped with safety chains or cables. Specials certificate required if vehicle is being towed for compensation. A trip permit is also required if the towed vehicle is not currently registered and is being towed by other than a licensed tower. 2,9 (B)
    PENNSYLVANIATotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Of every combination of vehicles operated on a highway, the towed vehicle which is equipped with brakes or which has a *GW in excess of 3,000lbs shall be so equipped that, upon breakaway of the towed vehicle, the towed vehicle shall be stopped and held automatically, and the towing vehicle shall be capable of being stopped and held by use of its own service braking system. Whenever 2 vehicles are connected by a ball and socket type hitch or pintle hook without a locking device, they must also be connected by 2 safety chains of equal length, each safety chain having an ultimate strength at least equal to the gross weight of the towed vehicles. The safety chains must be crossed and connected to the towed and towing vehicle and to the tow bar to prevent the tow bar from dropping to the ground in the event the tow bar fails or becomes disconnected. Safety chains (cross chains) required. 10,11
    RHODE ISLANDTotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 4,000lbs or more. Brakes must be designed so they can be applied from the driver of the towing vehicle’s normal operating position and that they will be automatically applied in the case of an accidental breakaway. 2,3
    SOUTH CAROLINATotal length: not specified.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Every motor vehicle or trailer must be equipped with brakes that have a braking system arranged so that one control device can be used to operate all service brakes. 2
    SOUTH DAKOTATotal length: not specified. (D)Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Brakes, turn signals, and rear lights required. Towed vehicle cannot exceed 53’. 2,3
    TENNESSEETotal length: not specified.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Lights, turn signals, and brakes must be connected. Registration of towed vehicle required plus owner’s identification card, if home state issues one. Brake hookups required. 2,3
    TEXASTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 4,500lbs or more. A motor vehicle, including a passenger car that has an unloaded weight of 2,500lbs. or more may be coupled with a towing device and 1 other vehicle. A driver of a passenger car or light truck may not tow a trailer, semi trailer, house trailer, or another motor vehicle unless safety chains of a type approved by the *DPS are attached in an approved manner from trailer, semi trailer, house trailer, or towed motor vehicle to the towing vehicle. 2
    UTAHTotal length: 65’.Breakaway braking system required if over 3,000lbs. Every motor vehicle or combination of vehicles shall have a parking brake system adequate to hold the vehicle(s) of any grade on which it is operated. Registration or proof of ownership of towed vehicle required. 2
    VERMONTTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. Rigid connection required. 3,12
    VIRGINIATotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. A safety chain/cable is required. Taillights and brake lights required. 2,13
    WASHINGTONTotal length: 60’. (B)Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. No vehicle towing a trailer may be driven in the left-hand lane of a limited access roadway having 3 or more lanes for traffic moving is 1 direction except when preparing for a left-hand turn. No person may occupy any trailer when it is being moved on a highway, except a person occupying a proper position for steering a trailer to be steered from a rear-end position. Special permit required if towed vehicle is not registered. 2, (B)
    WEST VIRGINIATotal length: 75’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. A motor vehicle or combination of motor-drawn vehicles must be capable of stopping at the following rates as if on a dry, smooth, level free road: 1) vehicles or combinations of vehicles with brakes must be able to decelerate at a speed of 14’ per second; and 2) vehicles or combinations of vehicles not having brakes on all wheels must be able to decelerate at a speed on 10.7’ per second. Light hookup required. 2
    WISCONSINTotal length: 60’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. A motor vehicle may be towed without being equipped with brakes if the *GVW of the towed vehicles not more than 40% of the *GVW of the towing vehicle and the towing vehicle has brakes adequate enough to stop the combination of vehicles. 2,3
    WYOMINGTotal length: 65’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 3,000lbs or more. 14
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    ALBERTATotal length: 20m/66’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 910kg/2,000lbs or more . No breakaway device required . Registration of towed vehicle required; proof of ownership required; drawbar required. 2,15
    BRITISH COLUMBIATotal length: 20m/66’.Independent braking system required when *GW is 1,400kg/3,086lbs or more. When the in-tow vehicle weight more than 1,909kg/4,200lbs., the unit must have a functional safety breakaway brake on the attachment. 2
    Total length: 21.5m/70.5’Independent braking system required when *GW is 910kg/2,006lbs. Towed vehicle must have a driver or be equipped with an adequate towing device (tow dolly, drawbar, and lift arm) which compels it to remain in the course of the towing vehicle. Distance shall not exceed 5m/16’. Towed vehicle must have functional brakes when not connected to tow bar. 2
    NEW BRUNSWICKTotal length: 23m/75’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1.5 tons. 2
    NEWFOUNDLANDTotal length: 23m/75’ (B)Independent braking system not required . The service brakes on a combination of vehicles must be capable of bringing the motor vehicle and a fully loaded combination of vehicles to a standstill at 30km/h (19mph) under the following conditions: 1) in straight line; 2) within 10m/33’ from the point at which the brakes were applied; and 3) on a dry and level paved surface made of eight asphalt or concrete that is free from loose materials. Special permit required if towed vehicle not registered. 2, (B)
    NWT – NUNAVITTotal length: 25m/80’Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,360kg/2,998lbs. 2
    NOVA SCOTIATotal length: 23m/75’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,800kg/4,000lbs. All lights must function on rear towed vehicles. Tow dollies require trailer plates unless towed by vehicle plated in jurisdiction exempting dollies from registration.
    ONTARIOTotal length: 23m/75’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,360kg/2,998lbs.
    PRINCE EDWARD ISLANDTotal length: 25m/82’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,500kg/3,300lbs. The brakes must be designed and connected so that the brakes are automatically applied if 1 of the vehicles being towed breaks away. Registration of towed vehicle not required. Safety chains required. Tow bar required (max. length 3.66m (12’). Light hookup required. Towing behind pickup camper/motor home is permitted.
    QUEBECTotal length: 23m/75’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,300kg/2,866lbs. The towing vehicle must carry the necessary equipment for operating the braking system of any trailer being towed. Drawbar or other connections required towing not recommended. 16
    SASKATCHEWANTotal length: 23m/75’.Independent braking system required when *GW exceeds 1,360kg./2,998lbs.The brake system must automatically activate the brakes in the case of a breakaway from the towing vehicle without affecting the brakes of the towing vehicle. 2
    YUKON TERRITORYTotal length: 22m/72’.Independent braking system required if *GW exceed 910kg/2,000lbs or 1ž2 licensed weight of towing vehicle. Tow bar and safety chains required. Length must not exceed Highway Regulation Limits. Brake lights and turn signals required.

    * Terms
    DPS = Department of Public Safety
    GW = Gross Weight
    GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight
    GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
    ** Basic Requirements: Lights, safety cables or chains, and a valid license plate: Lights, safety cables or chains, and a valid license plate are required in most States and Provinces
    TOWING NOTES KEY
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted with license plate.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted.
    • Reciprocity granted.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted, but must comply with trailer requirements.
    • Reciprocity granted for registration purposes only.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted. Lift arms must have rigid connection.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted; drawbar or other connection required.
    • Reciprocity granted with Minnesota and Canada.
    • Reciprocity granted on trip permits to border states.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted provided the combination meets the safety requirements established under Section 4905 of the vehicle code.
    • Reciprocity granted except for size limits.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted, but registration required.
    • Reciprocity granted, except as to tow bar, chain, and cable regulations.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted. Lights required.
    • Reciprocity granted, if motor vehicle insurance is required by the home state.
    • Tow dollies/lift arms permitted if meeting regulations and is registered.



    **SPECIAL NOTES
    • Total 55’ if trailer exceeds 45’.
    • Check with state/province for exceptions and restrictions.
    • If trailer was manufactured after 7/01/75, independent braking system is required when gross weight is 1,500 lbs or more.
    • Special provisions apply.
    • Special provisions apply to fifty-wheelers.

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    that should clear it up hope its not too much info
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    Quote Originally Posted by mud bros.1 View Post
    **SPECIAL NOTES
    • Total 55 if trailer exceeds 45.
    • Check with state/province for exceptions and restrictions.
    • If trailer was manufactured after 7/01/75, independent braking system is required when gross weight is 1,500 lbs or more.
    • Special provisions apply.
    • Special provisions apply to fifty-wheelers.
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    i only copyed it.....not sure if that is a mistake or not ..

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    I had a little mishap with car dolly once. The cop phoned to check if dollys need plates. I was sweating. His informant said "no". I thought they did because I know i have seen plates on them, but this cleared that up for me. Thax! Commercial=Plates.
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    I have a car trailer as well as a travel trailer, niether trailer requires a safety. I found that a little strange, but when I bought both, I just took in the bill of sale, put the ownership in my name and plated them.
    Oh yeah, my travel trailer wieghs 8000lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUD DAWG View Post
    I said that jokingly actually . Theres descent information here. But it never hurts to do your own due diligence. Everyone says DMV, probably because of American TV shows

    Absolutely, lot of good info, should be useful to many- but- one glaring error- the governing body over the rules posted needs to be correct. (And definetly it's because of American TV..) And for clarification, I wasn't picking on just you, I've seen people use 'DMV' instead of 'MTO' many times before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ynot YJ View Post
    .... I wasn't picking on just you, I've seen people use 'DMV' instead of 'MTO' many times before.
    You weren't, you were picking on Noltz

    Mud bros, whats the source for what you posted? Its probably better to post a link.

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    http://roadmaster-tow-bars.com/laws.php
    some realy crazy devices to apply the breaks in the towed vehical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thing1 View Post
    I have a car trailer as well as a travel trailer, niether trailer requires a safety. I found that a little strange, but when I bought both, I just took in the bill of sale, put the ownership in my name and plated them.
    Oh yeah, my travel trailer wieghs 8000lbs.
    When the MTO pulls you over you might find out otherwise. What a cop says carries no merrit when the MTO guy has you on the side of the road with his ticketbook. Towing is such a grey area these days, nothing seems to be carved in stone. Nevermind what the cops say, it's the MTO you need to worry about.
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    so I know that a flat towed vehicle(all 4 wheels on the road) needs to be legit for the road.... but what about the trailers made from 1/2 a truck..... can't we register the flat towed vehicle as a trailer??

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    ok i might as will jump in hear and get some answers before spring.
    ill just lay the facts down.

    fact- i have a 99dodge diesel pickup weight at scales was 7200lbs thats empty truck full tank of fuel and my buddy in the passanger seat. truck gvw on the ownership says 4500 kg.

    fact- i have a trailer that weighs 1800lbs

    fact- my buggy weighs now 3820lbs lets say 4000lbs when all done and finished

    question:do i need a sticker on the trailer and truck
    and if so why.

    thanks in advance.

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    BadCompany, I see what your talking about now. As per the link I posted on the other site, I'd say yeah you need a sticker, only because your truck is registered at 4,500 KGs. I'm guessing its a dually, if not then a SRW 1 tonne? My HD 3/4 tonne diesel Suburban has a GVWR of 3,900 KGs (8,600 lbs), and weighs 6,800 lbs full of fuel.

    Your truck by itself needs a sticker. I'm not sure about your trailer. Your trailer falls under the light duty category, 2,800 kg (6,171 lb.) or less transmitted to the ground. So will it need a sticker because the truck needs a sticker? I dunno.

    One more note. The MTO site says trucks over 4,500 KGs. But yours is right at 4,500 KGs. Whats the ruling on that? Can you lower the GVWR of your truck?

    Anyways, I have the day off, I'll see if I can get a hold of someone knowledgeable enough and I'll post back.

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    ok i called again more clear this time

    on the side of the door of the truck if the rgw is over 4500kg you need a sticker on the truck.

    as for the trailer no sticker.
    even when there hooked togeather because its less that 2800kg combined trailer and load.

    thanks mud dawg.

    awsome the door of my truck says 8800lbs/3992kg.=no sticker yea!
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    Hahaha, we're doing this on two different sites Ah well, it'll be good for everyone to know. Dealing with tickets and insurance hikes isn't fun.

    So your truck is under the limit, thats good. Dealing with annual inspections isn't fun either.

    Glad it worked out, its a good feeling to know your legal and not taking a chance every time you head out.

    Cheers

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    Heres the link for the light duty trailer exemption, its good to have a printout with you. BUT, I can't print the damn thing out. Neither FireFox nor IE print it correctly. What gives? Any suggestions?

    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tru...trailers.shtml

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    I did a screen-capture and resized it to print properly (8.1x10.4"). I also added the source URL to the bottom of the page so you can say "Here's the government website I got this from". If he types it in, he'll get the exact same image, and information, in his squad car.

    Right-click and "Save As";

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    FYI For those looking at RENTING in order to tow.

    I checked with a friend of mine who works for Budget/Avis Group. he says that towing anything is prohibited with most of their rentals.

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