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    Project No Frills (Long arms/8.8 in a grocery getter)

    Well I wasn't intending on building the ZJ, but a bent axle housing at ORCC forced my hand. Here's what I've been working on for the last little while (why I've been quiet).

    OK, here's the 8.8 freshly home from Square's (thanks man)


    ID Tag (It matches my stock gearing YAY)


    Tubes cleaned up and truss tacked


    Lines up nicely to the jig (yeah i know, nice socks...had to run out with the camera)


    Truss welded


    8.8 mini spool (now installed, sorry no pics of that, it's pretty easy)


    Now for some real tech (thanks to mallcrawlin.com for this tip)

    KEEPING ABS DURING 8.8 SWAP
    8.8's have 108 teeth on the tone ring for the ABS (it's also part of the carrier as opposed to on the rear shafts like the ZJ). Luckily ABS works by having the teeth pass a sensor, and the ZJ's happen to have 54 teeth. So by grinding every other tooth off (to make 54 teeth) and wiring the ZJ sensors into the 8.8 sensor, you can keep your factory ABS.

    8.8 Tone Ring (108 teeth)


    Grinding Every Other tooth


    Final Tone Ring (54 teeth)


    Wiring Diagram (thanks mallcrawlin.com)


    Tune in next month for 4 link
    Last edited by loosecannon; 09-12-2008 at 11:57 AM.

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    Still more (if this works it'll be a new way to post tech so you don't have to scroll through 1million posts).

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    Holy truss BATMAN!

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    bastard! I think you're going to beat me to it.

    still saving for a gear job...after I broke my D30 in half...I stuck one in with 4.56's from a TJ...now I need to 4.56 an 8.8 before I can stick it in.

    also left my job at a fab company...so garage brew it is! It's going to be a lllllong winter.

    2 questions for ya: you coming to Jeepkings bbq? be nice to shoot the shit on design tech.

    and why keep the abs? I find mine to be a pita anyway...specially on the trail
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    ^ the whole reason i sold my YJ (which was slated to be on 39's for the summer) was due to safety and insurance reasons. If I get in an accident and the insurance company finds out i deleted a factory safety system I don't want to take it in the bum.

    The goal for this truck is to be re-safetied and insured at the end of the build.

    I won't be at the bbq, but i'll shoot the shit whenever. This is going to be a slow winter fab (to keep me from poking my eyes out in boredom) and to relieve stress from upcoming wedding planning.

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    you can get insurance on a truck with home brew long arms?

    not that the homebrew really matters, I suppose clayton's or whatever would still be totally modified. So assuming you get it saftied and you run what, 5" lift and 33's?...you can get coverage on a heap like that? I just dont have collision on mine and cross my fingers that they dont care much about my heap since I dont claim against it.

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    ^ I dont know, but I'm going to find out. If you're in an accident and someone gets hurt...they'll look at the truck...every inch, whether you make a claim or not. I believe if you can get it safetied as is, someone will insure it.

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    hmm. well be sure to post up when you find out.

    that beast YJ of yours wouldn't have passed safety? with a little massaging of course...

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    not even close

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    Looking good Keep us updated, I am planning a longarm build sometime towards next year also....

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    Safeties have nothing to do with who built it (OEM, Aftermarket or homebuilt). If it passes safety then it passes safety. Some of us can build a better and stronger unit than stock anyway. Oem or otherwise it still needs to be maintained and that comes under the responsibility of the owner to maintain their vehicle in safe working order. If you have a mechanical failure you are on the hook UNTIL it can be proven that it was an OEM or aftermarket defect. Even though most of us have better mechanical skills than a number of licensced mechanics our install we be questioned if we aren't licensced. All B/S and red tape but a nessecary evil anyway.

    Where the issue comes in MOST times is not disclosing modifications from stock to your insurance company. Most of them will simply not insure you if it is modified (beyond minor stuff). It is a liability issue and it is much easier for them to walk away from a lot of business to save themselves from the few who make unsafe mods (or can't understand a lifted Jeep is not a sports car and needs to be driven differently). Add in the fact that most people go wheeling and then just turn onto asphalt when done with no inspection to see if they did any damage that may affect their on road safety (and that of their fellow drivers).

    It is the failure to disclose modifications / lying when they are asked or questioned in person or on a form that causes the insurance nightmares.

    Sorry to highjack but the build looks good.

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    ^thanks for the clarification, glad to know that if i build it right i should be able to find a safety.

    On that note, 2.5" Johnny Joints and greaseable bushings are on order.

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    Got a care package from TMR today.

    Fully Greaseable bushings with a 1/4 wall DOM sleeve.

    These bushings look beef. Great price too, lower than if I tried to get them across the border from ballistic or ruffstuff (Hey Tim, is home delivery going to become a permanent TMR feature?? LOL).
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    Nice build work, good to see someone going the fully legal safe road route.

    My insurance company has never asked me to sign anything that stated I had to disclose modifications, or that modifications were illegal (other than modifications to safety equipment), when I purchased my CJ, they just asked for a photo and a copy of the safety standards certificate.

    Nice find on that 8.8, other than the truss, did you weld the seam between the housing and the tubes?
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    i did but because it's cast i basically tack tack tacked it. should help for strength and i'll get it properly done down the road.

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    What kind of cash did you fork out for the spherical joints and the bushings?

    I`m looking for 8 of each.

    You know of any good deals on coil overs or air shocks?

    If that mode with the abs the same with the WJ`s?

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    PM twisted TJ or go to www.tmrcustoms.com, I ordered my Johnny Joints from him too.

    no idea on coilovers

    no idea about abs for wj's either

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Got a care package from TMR today.

    Fully Greaseable bushings with a 1/4 wall DOM sleeve.

    These bushings look beef. Great price too, lower than if I tried to get them across the border from ballistic or ruffstuff (Hey Tim, is home delivery going to become a permanent TMR feature?? LOL).
    LOL, if I'm already up that way I have no problem delivering your parts.

    Thanks again Dave.

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