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    Way to Swap engines Legally in Ontario

    Helo all i'm new in the forum, and i really like reading your posts it's been very helpfull. I recently got a 1995 Jeep YJ. I want ot drop in a SBC 350, but i'm wondering if that is legal. And if it is not. What is the way to make it legal.

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    Yes its legal to drop the V8 into your jeep. But it will need to pass e-test. Lots of guys on here have V8's in their jeeps. I have a small block dodge in mine. No issues.

    You might want to keep with a fuel injection engine though.
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    as long as its within the smog limits, as far as i know, its cool. but insuance and registering it with the ministry can be a pain.
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    Thanks very much TOOFAR. Do i have to report to MTO after i do the Swap. Or can i just keep driving it as if it still has the jeep engine in it? Thanks

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    Anything older that 2000 gets tested as a 'hot rod'. there's a thread on here somewhere posted by Noltz, see if you can find it.
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    I don't really think there are many cases where the MTO will limit your engine choices. Your insurance however is a much different story. Been there, done that, what a pain in the ass insurance companies are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUD DAWG View Post
    I don't really think there are many cases where the MTO will limit your engine choices. Your insurance however is a much different story. Been there, done that, what a pain in the ass insurance companies are.
    just found a 65 mustang siting in a barn ,all stock motor 170 6cyl ,pain in the ass insurance companies say its a muscle car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stach1 View Post
    just found a 65 mustang siting in a barn ,all stock motor 170 6cyl ,pain in the ass insurance companies say its a muscle car.
    If you're restoring it to take it to shows and what not, then get classic car insurance, they're actually cheap.

    If you're thinking about daily driving it, then you have plenty of work ahead of you.

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    thanks to you all, My area Don Mills/Eglinton, is plagued with COPS at night. I'd hate to be pulled over at 2am because my jeep roars like a mustang. Thanks to you all, been very helpfull.

    Stach1 who'd the hell finds a 65 mustang sitting on a barn? Anyway i want it. How much?

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    Anyone can recomend a member to do the swap of chevy V8 on my YJ? i can't afford a shop now. So if anyone can do it i have some cash. Also looking for some space to rent to work on my Body. Not my body leterally but YJ's. Thanks for any reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keiserporsche View Post
    Anyone can recomend a member to do the swap of chevy V8 on my YJ? i can't afford a shop now. So if anyone can do it i have some cash. Also looking for some space to rent to work on my Body. Not my body leterally but YJ's. Thanks for any reply.
    What are you willing to pay? Name an hourly rate or what you are willing to pay for the whole job.

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    If I'm not mistaken, the law states that for an engine swap to be legal the engine has to be from the same year as the vehicle or newer and it also has to be an original option for that vehicle meaning that anything other than the 2.5L or the 4.0L is illegal. It is also without saying that it has to pass emissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctonyb View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, the law states that for an engine swap to be legal the engine has to be from the same year as the vehicle or newer and it also has to be an original option for that vehicle meaning that anything other than the 2.5L or the 4.0L is illegal. It is also without saying that it has to pass emissions.

    Your mistaken....I have not found anywhere in the H.T.A. that limits an engine size. As stated before its a PITA with insuance companies your rates go up....They claim its for racing.

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    "What are you willing to pay? Name an hourly rate or what you are willing to pay for the whole job."


    i don't know....ah peanuts!? I don't know i didn't think of it as hourly rate, maybe a flat fee for the whole job? I don't want to say a number cause i don't know about the difficulty or nature of the job. I prefer to hear from you guys and then, see if i can pay for it. hope you understand, most money went on buying the engine. but i got some left. shoot me some numbers. But be kind please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keiserporsche View Post
    "What are you willing to pay? Name an hourly rate or what you are willing to pay for the whole job."


    i don't know....ah peanuts!? I don't know i didn't think of it as hourly rate, maybe a flat fee for the whole job? I don't want to say a number cause i don't know about the difficulty or nature of the job. I prefer to hear from you guys and then, see if i can pay for it. hope you understand, most money went on buying the engine. but i got some left. shoot me some numbers. But be kind please.
    Give Jeepman a shout, he's in Hamilton, but he does good work & he can give you a quote with or without engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctonyb View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, the law states that for an engine swap to be legal the engine has to be from the same year as the vehicle or newer and it also has to be an original option for that vehicle meaning that anything other than the 2.5L or the 4.0L is illegal. It is also without saying that it has to pass emissions.
    You are somewhat correct in being that it has to be from the same year or a newer motor and it has to be an option for the vehicle for that year. To do it though in a vehicle that never came with one, you need to go through steps with the MTO to get the vehicle registered as a hot rod on the ownership for anything newer then a 1987 vehicle because they require emissions testing. So you would be fine driving it until you need an etest, then the problems will arise because no registered place is going to test a v8 as a 4 or 6 cylinder motor and pass it.

    You will need to speak with the MTO about what exactly they require to do the swap, along with your insurance company to see if they will even keep you insured with it, some do not allow modifications to vehicles, and if you don't report it and something happens, you can be in alot of hot water since they can deny a claim because you did not report a moddification to them.

    To do it, its not that difficult if you have swapped motors before, cause if you stick to a SB Chevy or Ford, you can find places that make almost everything you need to do the swap, like conversion motor mounts, headers, relocation brackets, etc.

    It is not cheap, even if you can do it all yourself. Just remember that the motor will need to be from the same year or newer, meaning you won't be able to get away with a carbed v8 in a '95, and it must maintain all emissions equipment that came stock on the swapped in motor to pass etesting.
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    x2 for Jeepman, he can answer all your question AND do the swap - it's worth your time to trek to hamilton to get it done there...

    Regarding you getting pulled over, that's pretty simply

    a) don't drive like an ass
    b) Put a muffler on your fawking jeep.

    With those 2, i'm unsure how the officer will even know you have a V8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apuszczalowski View Post
    You are somewhat correct in being that it has to be from the same year or a newer motor and it has to be an option for the vehicle for that year. To do it though in a vehicle that never came with one, you need to go through steps with the MTO to get the vehicle registered as a hot rod on the ownership for anything newer then a 1987 vehicle because they require emissions testing. So you would be fine driving it until you need an etest, then the problems will arise because no registered place is going to test a v8 as a 4 or 6 cylinder motor and pass it.

    You will need to speak with the MTO about what exactly they require to do the swap, along with your insurance company to see if they will even keep you insured with it, some do not allow modifications to vehicles, and if you don't report it and something happens, you can be in alot of hot water since they can deny a claim because you did not report a moddification to them.

    To do it, its not that difficult if you have swapped motors before, cause if you stick to a SB Chevy or Ford, you can find places that make almost everything you need to do the swap, like conversion motor mounts, headers, relocation brackets, etc.

    It is not cheap, even if you can do it all yourself. Just remember that the motor will need to be from the same year or newer, meaning you won't be able to get away with a carbed v8 in a '95, and it must maintain all emissions equipment that came stock on the swapped in motor to pass etesting.
    I dont understand why i see so many guys with 97 Rangers then with Carbed 302s.

    It was my understanding that as long as it was older then 2000 you could declare it as a hotrod and you didnt need to pass emissions. I'm pretty sure thats what the thread on here said.

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    I have a '92 Dodge 318 in my '95 YJ. I had no problems with E-Testing. The tech lifted the hood and said "Hot Rod" nice job. When asked I said it was from a '95 Dakota. In my case the Dodge engine was basicly the same from 91-96. The only dif was an EGR tube which I replaced to keep the engine running clean. You could go to a "Stand alone system" and run a Chevy Fuel injected motor.

    X's 3 for Jeepman. He did my swap for me, and No it can be costly. He also has both a TPI and an MFI chevy motors in the rack that were in YJ's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keiserporsche View Post
    Helo all i'm new in the forum, and i really like reading your posts it's been very helpfull. I recently got a 1995 Jeep YJ. I want ot drop in a SBC 350, but i'm wondering if that is legal. And if it is not. What is the way to make it legal.
    The Drive Clean FAQ linky

    I wrote it a while back, but the information is still valid.

    For your particular situation;
    Your Jeep is a '95. You may put any engine you wish in your truck. Once completed, bring documentation (photo's if you did it yourself, or receipts if you paid to have it done) to the DMV and have the information changed. The DMV records the number of cylinders in your vehicle, and I think it's actually on your ownership under CYL.

    You must then call your insurance company and tell them you've had the engine replaced, and ask if they need any additional information. An agent is your best friend here. Be honest, and don't omit anything. There's enough legal BS - you don't want to be caught without insurance after a accident. You wanna play, you'll have to pay. It's also looks very good to your insurance company if you have a safety standards inspection done after the swap. This will prove to your insurance co. that you have nothing to hide, and the vehicle is 100% street worthy.


    General information;
    While any year vehicle can be a hot-rod, pre-2000 must meet much easier emissions standards. After 2000, you must meet the emissions standard from that vehicle's VIN. This means if you started with a 4 cylinder TJ, you must FOREVER meet 4 cylinder emissions - regardless of what engine is put in it. If you start with a 6 cylinder, it must FOREVER meet 6 cylinder emissions. Obviously, it's better to start with a 6 cylinder for your V8 swaps.

    NOTE; Any modern V8 can be made to run cleanly. Modern trucks run 6L gasoline motors and put out less pollution than an old lawn mower. Please, please budget for a few emissions control components in your builds. A set of high-flow, universal cats for your V8 will take away maybe 2 HP and cut your emissions by 70%. A simple EGR cuts NOx levels up to 90%. Just putting these two devices on your truck will keep the MTO off your arse, the tree-huggers happy, and Noltz from jamming a grapefruit down your carb when you come in for an e-test.
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