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    I have had good luck in the past talking with Traffic Services in Toronto.

    Also, while I think these guys are dick weeds, ask the "SAVE" team from York Region Police, while I think these guys are asses, they are the enforcement idiots who would end up pulling you should they decide to do something.

    There is nothing in the HTA that says yea/nay on the issue... It would be vehicle standards.

    When we look at vehicle inspection standards (this is what they would use if you got pulled over), these are in the schedules of the act btw...

    Highway Traffic Act - R.R.O. 1990, Reg. 611

    (j) every occupant seat shall be securely mounted and shall maintain its position and adjustment;
    (l) if fitted with a seat belt assembly or assemblies, each belt anchorage shall be secure, each buckle and retractor shall operate as intended, and no belt webbing shall be visibly damaged so as to reduce its effectiveness;
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    General rule of thumb, as I have have run it, is if the vehicle didn't come out of the factory so equipped, it's probably going to be a problem to someone. The back of P/Us weren't meant to have seats, for all sorts of reasons. Just like jamming in a 3rd row seat in your Xterra isn't quite right, for a variety of reasons. The people who designed the vehicle never thought someone would sit there, and that area usually becomes:

    a crumple zone (very bad to sit inside).

    Having said that, we all mod our vehicles. I bet if you did it really nice and right, no one will give you hard time - except maybe your insurance agent when you make a claim.


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    There was a new law passed a couple of years ago making it illegal to carry more passengers than you have seatbelts. Before that, it was ok to carry passengers in extra seats as long as all of the seats with belts were occupied first. However, I remember at the time the law was passed, I saw a letter to the editor complaining about a loophole that still allowed people to be carried in the back of pickup trucks.
    I havn't seen the exact wording, but a new copy of the HTO and regulations should have it. Beware of the out-of-date version in your library.
    It's interesting if the cops and MTO aren't usibng the latest version. It's their job to be up to date .

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    So as a little update, I have asked a number of friends of mine that are police officers and in turn they have asked around. Seems like with out referencing any material the vote is split as if its illegal or not. and those that say it is illegal some have also said if its done right they would let them go. sounds like its discretionary. My feeling, it would be great, but for the hassel it may get, unless the P/U is a trail rig and trailered I wouldnt.

    as for WTS, seriously? All your pioints have been addressed by others.
    Breath dude.

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    I would be interested in what the officers who said it would be illegal said.

    Officers technically have no discretion - they have reason to suspect a law has been broken, they arrest you, the court decides the outcome.

    That being said - the ones who said it's illegal - under what statue is it illegal, that's the key.

    I agree it's one of those things where you are probably asking for trouble doing it - but I am still interested under what statute they would consider it forbidden.
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    I asked my one buddy to get more info for me too, as jsut saying its illegal isnt enough info for me lol. I will find out some more.

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    i saw this on a dodge forum and someone in cambridge has done it. i believe the MTO forced them to have it safety checked and that was it..

    seats + seatbelts and have a safety done.
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    Thanks for the feedback, that's good to know about the fellow in Cambridge. I think if I do it I'll put a cap on the back with tinted windows and then mount the seats properly with seat belts. Hopefully if know one sees it then I should be just fine.
    I'm not looking to prove a point or anything, I just want to be able to take the whole family up north when we help my mother and the in-laws doing all their yard work and carting stuff off to the dump and what not. Right now the wife goes up in the minivan with the kids and I take the truck....it's way too much on gas to be driving both vehicles. I would sit in the back and let her and the kids have the front where it's safer.
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    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by oblivion View Post
    So as a little update, I have asked a number of friends of mine that are police officers and in turn they have asked around. Seems like with out referencing any material the vote is split as if its illegal or not. and those that say it is illegal some have also said if its done right they would let them go. sounds like its discretionary. My feeling, it would be great, but for the hassel it may get, unless the P/U is a trail rig and trailered I wouldnt.

    as for WTS, seriously? All your pioints have been addressed by others.
    Breath dude.
    As for "asking cops" what they think on this issue, I think it's crap. Laws are laws and unless some cop can show me where it says I have broken the law, then I or anyone hasn't, that's it. If there is no writing on it, a cop can't make up laws as he goes along, period. If some jackass can weld the back half of a VW Beattle to the front of a motorcycle making a trike, and cart his familly around on it, then there should be nothing wrong with mounting seats in a truck. If it passes a safety inspection and you get pulled over, tell the cop to pound salt. BTW This is what my RCMP cousin told me.....you Breath Dude.
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    I wonder what an insurance company would think about it... thats a whole different question
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    True

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatsylvania View Post
    I wonder what an insurance company would think about it... thats a whole different question
    This is true, but as long it has passed a safety by a registered MTO inspection shop, then it is safe. Im sure some companies would shy away from it, but im sure you could get insurance, ANYTHING can be insured.

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    seat belts and rear facing seats... it's legal check it out.
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    Spoke with a contact I have in law enforcement.. he in turn spoke with an OPP traffic specialist (the guy who inspects vehicles after an accident).. and this is what got back to me..

    take it for what its worth.. im not here to argue yay-or-nay..

    If someone were to mount seats and belts in the box of a pick up truck, this would be similar to building your own vehicle from the ground up in your garage. The reason no one can find the exact information on it is that it is Transport Canada who looks after inspecting vehicles to meet the standards (not to be confused with an MTO inspection which is for roadworthiness). These are the standards to which vehicles are manufactured. The vehicle, once these modifications were made, would have to be inspected by Transport Canada. Once it was approved (they would check for the strength of the mounts, the steel it is mounted to, the hardware, etc etc) and I understand it is quite an expensive process, he would be issued a federal standards certificate.

    If stopped by Law Enforcement, he would then have to show this federal certificate. If not, if he just did the modifications, it would be the same charge as if someone was occupying a position in ANY vehicle, without a belt available for that person. This legislation changed a number of years ago, where every person must be in a position where there is a belt available.

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    Thumbs up

    I spoke to a couple cops I know and they both said that they are not 100% sure, which in turn means that, unless you are being a complete douche and starting $hit with them, they would never consider ticketing someone for it. So basically even if you were pulled over for other reasons, unless you are being a complete douche or starting $hit with them, they wouldnt even bother with it.

    Take it for what it's worth, but I will have a YJ seat and belts in the back of my MJ by the end of the season

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    I think a few clever ways around this would be,

    1. Use a truck that is pre seat belts year that way no position had a seat belt available for anyone.

    2. Screw with the vin numbers to have it registered as a Bronco/Blazer or Subaurban then it would have the proper number of seats and seat belts.

    3. Modify a truck to look like a Bronco/Blazer Suburban ie make a pick up look like one of those or turn a Bronco/Blazer Suburban into a pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wts View Post
    This is true, but as long it has passed a safety by a registered MTO inspection shop, then it is safe. Im sure some companies would shy away from it, but im sure you could get insurance, ANYTHING can be insured.
    Do a search of this forum for insurance alone, and I think you'll change your tune on that my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimyweld View Post
    I've contacted the MTO and have been sent around to about 5 different numbers and know one seems to know if this allowed or to know who would know. The last place I was sent to was Vehicle Standards where I had to leave a message (1 800 333 0371) and I'll await there response. I did contact the OPP and the staff sargent didn't seem to know either, although he thought I should check out the highway traffic act on the web.
    If anyone can recommend the right person/place to contact it would be much appreciated.
    Thanks
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    P.s.The bedryder set up looks good Oblivion, too bad it wasn't already approved for Ontario.

    did you finally get any answers from the MTO? i`ve been looking at the bedryder seats and they claim to be legal in canada so i think i`ll give em a shot

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